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Dan G/Soganofla

03-27-2002 14:50:07




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I've recently purchased a sawmill, and now I need a good winch for loading logs, etc. I've eliminated the electric ones from my thoughts, so that leaves hydraulic and mechanical. Tractor Vet, in an old post, mentioned the Mile Marker hydraulic that runs off the power steering pump on the truck. Anybody have any experience with it?
I've talked with them, and they make it sound really good, but they ARE trying to sell the darn thing. They want $1250 for the 12000# model.
The surplus yard here has a 8000# mechanically driven one for $350, and the PTO unit for the truck is about that much again.
The Mile Marker would be easier to install, and comes with a remote control, so I don't have to be a target for broken cables, etc.
Anybody have any thoughts to share, or other ideas?
Thanks

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Rory

03-29-2002 09:29:30




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 Re: Winches in reply to Dan G/Soganofla, 03-27-2002 14:50:07  
I have one of the first winches that milemarker built I replaced a Ramsey electric with it. I will never go back to electric. It is designed to run off the power steering pump but it will run off of a hydraulic pump as well you just have to keep the flow rate down to 10 gpm or so for their valves to work. If you wanted to use your own spool then you wouldnt have to worry about flow rate as much. You do need to keep the pressure around 1700 psi or so otherwise you have the ability to overload the winch and cable. Remember that they are rated at power steering pump pressures.

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Dan G/Soganofla

03-29-2002 13:09:09




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 Re: Re: Winches in reply to Rory, 03-29-2002 09:29:30  
Thanks, Rory. Just a couple of questions, if you don't mind. Does the winch live up to it's rating? Is it unusually slow, or comparable to the electrics? Have you had any trouble with hoses and fittings, etc?
I'm seriously considering this, unless I can come across a good pto winch reasonably.



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Rory

03-29-2002 21:10:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Winches in reply to Dan G/Soganofla, 03-29-2002 13:09:09  
I have the single speed model and yes it is a bit slow. But let me put that into perspective it is slow when re-spooling the cable (when winding it to store between pulls) but not any slower than an electric under heavy load. Since i purchased mine they have developed a 2 speed model. On the 12,000 model I think the no/light load speed is around 30fps (in high speed the pulling capacity is around 1000#) while mine is around 2-7 fps depending on the layer of cable. So you use high speed to re-spool and/or take up slack then change to the low gear to do the work. I am considering putting a hydraulic pump on my truck to get higher flow and thus the higher line speed.
This winch will not run your battery down and will work fine underwater or mud. It will not work if the engine won't run but an electric will drain the batt in a few minutes if it is not running as well. Hydraulic winches are also rated for continuous duty while electrics have a short duty cycle at their rated pull. Couple of things to think about if you get a pto winch they are usually not remote conrolled (cluch on the tranny)(if you get a pto model you will have to come up with a way to control it) mile marker also sells a radio remote for the ultimate in remote control.

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VaTom

03-30-2002 05:21:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Winches in reply to Rory, 03-29-2002 21:10:22  
My pto winch was designed to operate either at the bumper or in the cab. I like somebody in the cab for better safety. It saves adding a hydraulic pump and the plumbing. The power is limited by the winch hardware, using a shear pin. If you have enough truck, my understanding is the surplus army winches, like mine, go for as little as $500 with 200' of cable. Don't know the capacity but mine will pull the rear of my Cat sideways, with the truck nosed into a tree. And it's a 2 speed.

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Rory

03-30-2002 20:22:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Winches in reply to VaTom, 03-30-2002 05:21:34  
How much fine control do you have with the control? As for the pto it seems to me that it would be easier to mount the hydraulic especially if you wanted to mount it in a location not in line of site of the pto output shaft.



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VaTom

03-31-2002 08:59:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Winches in reply to Rory, 03-30-2002 20:22:01  
Not sure what you mean by "fine control". It's a two speed, with one rather slow. Only one speed for unreeling. I've moved a lot of large items very carefully with it, aided by a snatch block (usually for directing rather than doubling). You're right about the need for a direct path for the shaft. No problem for my truck. Sometimes easier than finding room for another under-hood add-on like a hydraulic pump. Obviously depends on the truck.

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PCC-AL

03-27-2002 17:06:57




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 Re: Winches in reply to Dan G/Soganofla, 03-27-2002 14:50:07  
Hey Dan,
I'm getting fuddy in my old age. Do you need the winch to load logs on the mill itself, or on a truck/trailer to haul to the mill?
The way we did it with a friend's mill was: the mill had it's own hydraulic lift arms that picked up the log from the ground and dropped it on the carriage. We logged the mill by using a tractor with a front end loader with a fork instead of a bucket. On the back of the tractor was a boom with a set of log hooks. Cut a lot of lumber with minimum labor this way. Good luck.

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