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Fritz Campbell

03-25-2002 15:50:23




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Over the last several nights I have read with interest the discussions on this and several other web sites concerning the quality of Fram oil filters. I have always thought Fram was a very reliable, well made filter. After thinking about it awhile, I had a new Fram PH3593A oil filter for my daughters '96 Honda Civic on the shelf and the same filter on her car. After reading the posts, I went out to the garage and cut it in half with a hacksaw. I would have never believed it if I wouldn't have seen it with my own eyes but there is was, on both the top and bottom of the filter element - CARDBOARD. I wouldn't know a good filter from a bad one looking from the inside out but I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday and won't run a filter with cardboard in it either.

I immediately threw out all the Fram filters I had on hand and will never purchase another Fram filter as long as I live. I'm also sending Fram an "informative" e-mail on the same subject.

I just got done changing the oil and replacing the Civic's filter with an O.E. Honda for $5.50 at the dealer. Like the parts guy told me this afternoon, "well most folks think we are gouging them when they price our O.E. filters vs some aftermarket filters, but run what you want, you can pay us now or you can pay us later". Well spoken. Just thought I'd pass this along.

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Eric

03-29-2002 17:05:32




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 Re: Fram filters in reply to Fritz Campbell, 03-25-2002 15:50:23  
I too use to use fram filters by the box full until I started using synthetic oil. I now only use Amsoil filters on everything. On my tractor I don't use synthetic oil but i do spend the few extra bucks for the great filters they produce.

Eric



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A Man

03-27-2002 19:14:54




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 Re: Fram filters in reply to Fritz Campbell, 03-25-2002 15:50:23  
I had one collpse on a 72 chevy pickup and i loss oil pressure and when i change the filter i had pressure my dad thought of changing filter befor e oil pump save alot of work so i went to ac filter



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Glenn(WV)

03-27-2002 11:03:44




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 Re: Fram filters in reply to Fritz Campbell, 03-25-2002 15:50:23  
Here's an oil filter study. I learned a lot from it:



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Mark Kw

03-27-2002 08:32:50




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 Re: Fram filters in reply to Fritz Campbell, 03-25-2002 15:50:23  
Put a post up above this one too but the link for baldwin filters is below this one as well.

99% of the filters I use are Baldwin because I have come to respect their quality and performance. The other 1% is Donaldson which also makes very high quality products.

I saw many a post asking about buying a "cheap or inexpensive filter and or oil". My first question is WHY?

Why would you want to buy "cheap" oil and or filters when the oil and filter is actually what keeps the engine, machine, ect running? Not the "heart" of the device but it's what keeps the heart going. Like a person, eating greasy fried food covered in salt each and every day, your heart is going to give out sooner than if you eat a well balanced diet. The same goes for equipment. Feeding it crappy oil and not filtering it to keep it clean is going to bring the end to the heart.

I've seen people willing dump 95,000 bucks on a semi-truck tractor then complain about spending a measly 100 bucks for a good air filter or 10 bucks for a good oil filter or 35 bucks for good oil. Their reasoning on this is beyond me. The same goes all around no matter what the product or cost of it.

I see people spending $25,000 on a pick-up truck then buy the $2.50 oil filters and $.89 quarts of oil for it and expect it to last. Then, when the engine takes a dump, they complain about the repair costs or how it was junk and did not hold up. Same goes for hydraulic systems. Most of you with hydraulic powered equipment know full well that moisture and dirt in one of these means the end comes quickly and the repair costs are very high. Hydraulic oil too wears out and becomes contaminated over time. Most all application suggest changing it completely once a year yet how many people will not change it in the name of "saving money"?

If you really want to save money, make what you have last as long as possible by using good quality products to start with. To me, I will gladly toss $19 away for top quality oil and a filter as opposed tossing the engine for $3500. The air filter is just as important as the oil filter. Dirt coming into the cylinders and such by way of the air intake is just as damaging as that coming in by way of the oil passages, same with the fuel system.

It's up to you what you do with your stuff but mine is well protected. You'll never see me blowing out an air filter, I'll put a new one on every time before taking a chance on loosing an engine to save 8 bucks. I work for myself. I loose an engine or piece of equipment, I loose money not only for the repair / replacement but because I can't use the equipment to make money. I also don't hesitate to improve on systems either. OEM is fine but in some cases it's just not enough for my liking. While Altec built my derrick hydraulic system with a 10 micron filter as OEM, I added a secondary bypass filter at 3 microns and a spinning water/moisture filter to the main filter system so the oil stays super clean. I won't use cheap oil either. The stuff for $3.50 a gallon will sit on the shelf forever because I will gladly pay the $8 a gallon for the good stuff even though a complete change takes 72 gallons.

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Nolan

03-27-2002 04:19:48




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 Re: Fram filters in reply to Fritz Campbell, 03-25-2002 15:50:23  
I am no fan of Fram filters. But, I've put millions of miles on engines that have run nothing but Fram filters. With regular frequent oil changes, the filter really don't do any work. There's no build up of sludge or metal particles on the filter media to blind it and cause it to tear lose from the cardboard backing. I've cut a number of used oil filters open to investigate this. If you are the type that likes to go for 10-30K miles between oil changes, that's a different story of course.

Wallmart dropped the AC/Delco filters (darn). But those cheaply priced black ones (Tech?) are apparently made by Champion. Certainly not on par with Baldwin or Wix, but comparable to AC/Delco it seems.

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WHAT'S THE ANSWER?

03-26-2002 18:24:22




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 Re: Fram filters in reply to Fritz Campbell, 03-25-2002 15:50:23  
Is there an inexpensive brand of oil filter that you can get at Walmart, etc that has fair quality??? I usually see Fram, AC, Motorcraft, Purolator and can get Wix at the parts store for more money. Have never seen a Baldwin filter. What's your choice???



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Rick from Paso

03-26-2002 22:25:38




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 Re: Re: Fram filters in reply to WHAT'S THE ANSWER?, 03-26-2002 18:24:22  
Around here (Central Coast, Calif), Walmart and K-Mart recently stopped carrying AC Delco which is what I have always used in my GM trucks, Kragen Auto still sells them, but I have to pay 2X as much. I always made it a habit of using OEM filters as much as possible.



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Congrats

03-26-2002 15:16:26




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 Re: Fram filters in reply to Fritz Campbell, 03-25-2002 15:50:23  
I appauld you for actually checking things out yourself and not joining a for or against group based on emotion. I too thought Fram was a quality product until educated by a more knowledgable person.

Kevin



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big fred

03-26-2002 13:13:57




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 Re: Re: Fram filters in reply to Mark Kw, 03-26-2002 10:43:08  
ISO certification just means that a company has an established and documented quality system in place. It doesn't imply that the quality of its products are good or bad, just that they should be consistent. I work for a company that produces some incredibly high quality products, but only a small part of the company has the ISO certification, and that only recently.



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Art

03-26-2002 11:30:04




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 Re: Re: Fram filters in reply to Mark Kw, 03-26-2002 10:43:08  
I think the simplest way to avoid getting burned is to stay away from the DIY, home-owner oriented products that are advertised in Popular Mechanics type magazines or on TV. If you realize that Milwaukee, Porter Cable, Snap-On, Baldwin, Donaldson, etc rarely advertise on these levels and they are still producing a quality product, yet Stanley, Black and Decker,Ingorsall-Rand, Fram and Champion spend all this money on huge advertising campaigns to reach people who don't know what quality is (or was), nor do they care, because everything they purchase is treated as a disposable item. Even JD, with its consumer products operates on this level, though their lawn and garden machines are by and large several steps above the out and out junk that is being sold under brand names that were at one time high quality, professional grade tools, parts or machines.

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