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A MIG welder ???

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Rod MI

03-24-2002 15:01:56




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I have a 90Amp century MIG welder and every time I try to weld with it the wire will not melt it will turn red hot then deposit on the work piece or disintegrate depending on the wire feed settings and changing the wire feed settings don’t help I think its called burn back and I have a Lincoln stick welder 225Amp and I hooked the stinger lead from the arc welder and hooked it to the power cable on the MIG welder and at 135amp I still have the same feed problem what could be the problem the feeder is not slipping my test piece is a 1/8 inch piece of angle I have had this probable since NEW and never been able to weld a penetrating weld or anything that resembles a weld I have used ones at work and they work just fine but this machine will not weld I originally figured it whose the low amperage but is still wont weld at 135amps do you think something is defective thanks Rod MI

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Trucker

04-03-2002 22:20:20




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 Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 15:01:56  
Try welding on the ground clamp,if you can weld on the ground clamp its a bad ground,If it still does it,it sounds like what happens when spatter builds up in the nozzle to where it shorts out on the tip.If it never welded,might be something wrong with the way the gun is hooked up.



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micromike

03-30-2002 07:59:15




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 Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 15:01:56  
I have a Century 145 amp gas/gasless mig welder and have experienced what you are describing. For me, it's usually a problem with the ground. I agree with the poster that said youhave to grind a clean place to attach your ground clamp. Here is another problem I experienced last year. The spring on the ground clamp was just too weak and I couldn't get a GOOD stiff clamp to the piece I was welding too. When I replaced the clamp it made all the difference. Also, make sure the ground is as close to the weld on the piece your are welding as is practical. They also make a clamp that has a strong magnet to attach to your piece. I want to try one of those. One final suggestion which you may already be aware of. For Mig, the metal where you are welding must be VERY clean. I always grind before I weld even on new steel. Hope this helps. Micromike

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Rod MI

03-30-2002 15:05:32




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 Re: Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to micromike, 03-30-2002 07:59:15  
micromike thanks I just fixed the problem it turned out to be a LOSE CONECTION sum ware inside the machine I unplugged every thing and checked all connections and now it works it shire took me long enough to get to courage to tare to sheet metal of it thanks for the post Rod MI



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Thanks every buddy ! ! !

03-26-2002 09:37:36




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 Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 15:01:56  
Thanks every buddy I will try all of these things this weekend and let you now how thing work out Rod MI



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RayP(MI)

03-25-2002 11:43:59




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 Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 15:01:56  
I can't urge you too strongly to check your ground connection carefully, and be sure the metal you're welding is electrically bonded too. Otherwise you'll find the besd building up on only one piece! I usually grind a clean surface as close as practical to the weld as I can, for the grounding clamp. Then I scrape or rock the clamp back and forth to be sure of a good electrical contact.



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SteveB(wi)

03-25-2002 11:05:36




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 Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 15:01:56  
I have a Century 155GS (105A) and I have to switch strap positions under the cover to go from flux core to solid wire & gas. This changes polarity. Clore has a web site with some manuals and parts lists & 800#



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Steve U.S. Alloys

03-25-2002 10:44:22




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 Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 15:01:56  
Hi Rod,
I knew one of the Century reps some years back. They had a problem in the electronic circuitry that would cause what you describe. I don't recall what the part was but I do remember that it was common for it to burn out and cause the wire to glow red hot instead of atomizing.


Century is now owned by Clore automotive. They are into battery chargers more than welding these days and they have let all their old field reps go. You may get some insights from them if you can get to the right person. The gentleman I knew was Ed Chandler from the central Illinois area. I don't believe Ed is still living. The last time I spoke to someone at Clore, they had never heard of him.

I'm pretty much convinced that your problem is not in the way you are setting up your equipment. I'd be surprised if it did not stem from internal problems. A good electric motor shop can probably diagnose it. I'd check with Clore first regarding parts availability.

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Trader

03-25-2002 08:10:17




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 Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 15:01:56  
you never mentioned volt setting. It kind of sounds like you may not have the volts high enough.



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Mike W

03-24-2002 20:25:27




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 Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 15:01:56  
Hi Rod, are you using co2 gas or just flux core wire? I use .035 wire with co2; the current is 100 amps, measured. Voltage around 22 to 25.

I tried flux core but did not care fot it. The arc is more erratic and more splatter. If you can disintegrate the wire at a high wire speed; it sounds like you have plenty of amps available. I run at 3 on a 0 to 10 dial.

Check that the wire feeds evenly (tension adj. on drive roller)Using the stick electrode may not be a valid test since the stick machine is constant current while the mig is constant voltage.

Check all the connections and maybe try a different roll of wire. I have a hunch that its your wire. Regards, Mike

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Rod MI

03-24-2002 21:35:47




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 Re: Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Mike W, 03-24-2002 20:25:27  
I only can disintegrate the wire at a low wire speed at High wire speeds it will turn cherry red and deposit on the work the wire will not melt and I'm using C25 with .030 wire I tried .024 .030 and .034 and no luck same problem it mite be me but I don’t think sow this is the last try for me before I sell it I think thanks for the help Rod MI



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Mike W

03-25-2002 20:18:55




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 Re: Re: Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 21:35:47  
Hi again Rod, had a couple of thoughts. You could hook up two car batteries in series to replace the mig power supply for a test,have the mig supply dis-connected.


If this works, I would check the 4 diodes that convert the ac out of the main transformer to dc. If you have any bad diodes you can buy replacements from a electronic supply house. Must have enough amps and voltage rating.


I use a 200 amp diode bridge on the output of my buzz box to use dc.

Cherry red wire at a high wire speed sounds like not enough voltage. You could also have bad filter capacitors. The caps connect at the output of the thr diodes. Don't give up on it yet, Mike

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Terry

09-15-2003 15:29:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Mike W, 03-25-2002 20:18:55  
HAS ANYONE FOUND A SOURCE FOR POWER DIODES
IN THE 200 AMP 30-100 V RANGE.?



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Jim K

03-24-2002 16:34:25




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 Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 15:01:56  
Open it up and check that all connections are tight especially the ones from the windings to the terminals. I have seen them actually broken.
Jim K



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Rod MI

03-24-2002 22:01:06




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 Re: Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Jim K, 03-24-2002 16:34:25  
I will have to check that out Rod MI



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Rod MI

03-24-2002 22:00:45




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 Re: Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Jim K, 03-24-2002 16:34:25  
I will have to check thay out Rod MI



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T_Bone

03-24-2002 21:12:22




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 Re: Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Jim K, 03-24-2002 16:34:25  
Hi Rod,

Almost sounds like a bad ground. I'm sure you've check the clamp but how about the ground cable?
Could also be the wire is shorting out to the liner, maybe missing the insulator on the liner feed tip? Or on the gun side of the liner?
Have you tried a new tip?

Or could be one of the other suggestions.

T_Bone



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Rod MI

03-24-2002 21:59:21




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 Re: Re: Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to T_Bone, 03-24-2002 21:12:22  
I have tried a new tip but I knead to check your other suggestions could you go into more detail on how to check to liner and feed tip this could be the problem dues the liner suppose to touch the tip I know when I remove the tip the liner will move out about a 1/8 inch and what do you think about the arc welder for the power supply will this work and my last question I’m thinking of buying a TIG welder (if I cant get this MIG working) will a MIG feeder hook up to the TIG power supply kind of like what I’m doing with the arc welder and weld ok I think it should but just checking thanks agene Rod MI

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Dick

03-25-2002 10:03:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A MIG welder ??? in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2002 21:59:21  
Rod, one thing to check for is the proper polarity. These welder are set up for DC, and if you have a problem, maybe the wires are reversed. You use reverse polarity when welding aluminum, etc., not iron and steel.
Dick



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