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When to use AC and when to use DC

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Wayne Wiseman

03-19-2002 16:42:22




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I have a Lincoln 225 AC welder. Saw a comment by Gregg on this board that he only uses DC.

Will somebody explain when to use AC and when to use DC.

I know a person that is wanting to sell a Lincoln AC/DC that was used very little and he wants $150. Is this a good buy?

Thanks




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chris

03-20-2002 19:12:24




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 Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to Wayne Wiseman, 03-19-2002 16:42:22  
I've got one just like it and love it,if you don't go buy it I'll bet you could find ten people right here that would including me,I gave $379



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Scott Green

03-20-2002 07:22:15




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 Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to Wayne Wiseman, 03-19-2002 16:42:22  
I have a Lincoln 225 AC/DC welder. Really like it a lot. I don't weld for a living , but I can run a nice bead for being kind of a self taught welder. I like having the 3 different polarities. If one doesn't do as I think it should , I try another. Once I find the right settings for a certain rod , I write it down. Yes , different rods are better than others , depending on what kind of welding is being done. Personally , I am kind of fond of the 7014 rod. I find it welds nice useing AC or DC. I feel that the 7014 rod is a good all around rod for carbon steel. I weld anything from thin sheet metal to thick steel with the 7014 rod. What do some of you other welders think of the 7014 rod? I'm looking for pro's , con's , or any other comments. Scott Green

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Keith

03-20-2002 07:10:30




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 Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to Wayne Wiseman, 03-19-2002 16:42:22  
If the machine is in good shape 150 is excellent deal. I paid 320 for mine a few years ago at Home Depot. I have used the snot out of it and it is great. I have worn out 2 stingers and 1 ground clamp. Buy it.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

03-20-2002 04:54:24




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 Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to Wayne Wiseman, 03-19-2002 16:42:22  
The two primary differences are input of heat and magnetic field effects. DCEP places 1/3rd of the heat generated by the arc into the electrode and 2/3rds into the base metal. DCEN does just the opposite. AC places 1/2 the generated heat into the work and 1/2 into the electrode.

Regarding magnetic fields, DC polarity being constant will build a magnetic field that remains constant. This can cause arc wander or arc blow in tight enclosures. Changing to AC polarity eliminates the field each time the current alternates.

As stated, some electrodes are only designed to operate on a given polarity setting while others, such as the airless gouging electrode, will operate more efficiently on one than the other.

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T_Bone

03-20-2002 00:48:05




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 Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to Wayne Wiseman, 03-19-2002 16:42:22  
Hi Wayne,

DC provides a very stable arc compared to AC thus is much easier to control metal fusion. Theres less weld splatter with DCRP. Being DC has been the most popular choice of welders for many years there is a vast electrode selection where thers a very limited selection for AC.

I personally like DC over AC but I also quit professional welding several years ago and have a old Lincoln AC buzzer that I still weld with for all my home use. If the buzz box ever gives out then I would buy a AC/DC to replace it with. To run out and replace a AC machine with a DC machine is a waste of money other than one for $150 smackers. If the machine welds good then I would pay $150 for it even tho I don't need it.

I would also buy 50lbs of Chemtron 7018 and Lincoln 6010 as those are the two finest DC rods made and will make 99% of the welds that a professional/home user needs but I also could get by on just Chemtron 7018.

T_Bone

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Bill

03-20-2002 06:06:56




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 Re: Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to T_Bone, 03-20-2002 00:48:05  

Hi T-bone
I was wondering what you can weld with 6011 that you cant weld with 7018 ? Bill



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T_Bone

03-20-2002 11:01:15




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 Re: Re: Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to Bill, 03-20-2002 06:06:56  
Hey bill,

You can weld the same with both rods. 6011 has it's own place tho and thats welding galvanized. You can use 7018 with grinding off the galvanize but it's very difficult to use with the galvanize left on. 6011 will clean the galvanize off as you weld. 6011 can also be used on AC.

I'll assume you were talking about the 6010 that I refferenced in the above post. With 6010 it's much easier to run a open root weld than with 7018 although 7018 can be used for a open root weld. You can also get deeper penatration with 6010 than with 7018.

If I only had one rod choice it would have to be 6010 as it also does well on galvanize when on DCSP.

All rods have there special place. 7018 is such a good all around rod and looks well when your done. 7024 is great for welding on the bench on flat weld joints and is very smooth and a very fast rod. The problem 7024 has for field work is it's restricted to flat and horzontial welds.

T_Bone

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Bill

03-20-2002 15:18:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to T_Bone, 03-20-2002 11:01:15  

Hey T-Bone
thanks for the very informative reply , and you were right about the 6010 ,6011 ,the old brain just doesent function like it used to , I new after I posted that I had the wrong rod number but didnt want to p s , thanks, Bill



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John from Ky

03-19-2002 18:57:45




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 Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to Wayne Wiseman, 03-19-2002 16:42:22  
AC does come in handy for certain types of rods. 6013 rods do well on AC. AC also is more forgiving for a beginner learning to weld. However, once you know what you're doing, you'll us DC most, if not all the time. The best rods to learn on DC are 6011 rods from Airco. They're made by Lincoln. They are also a very good all purpose rod that will do most anything you would need done around the farm or in the garage. Here's a little secret on burning those 6011 rods. Drop your amperage and burn them negative electrode. It's backwards to what most welders will tell you, but it works! That's what counts.

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Steven M

03-19-2002 18:33:01




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 Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to Wayne Wiseman, 03-19-2002 16:42:22  

I use DC 100% of the time for welding.
The only time i use AC is when i use my carbon arc torch.



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jerry Gerthofer

03-19-2002 17:57:24




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 Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to Wayne Wiseman, 03-19-2002 16:42:22  
ya its worth it whats the guys name where he live?



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Butch in Ks

03-19-2002 16:50:55




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 Re: AC/DC Welder - When to use AC and when to use DC in reply to Wayne Wiseman, 03-19-2002 16:42:22  
You bet who uses A C any more



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