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Richard

03-17-2002 13:55:58




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I have a 30x50 shop that I want to add a storage area to. The storage area will be 8' off the ground, 8' deep x 30' wide. It is the rear section of my shop and the shelf or subfloor will be over my work benches where an 8' ceiling will be no problem. The storage area will be used to store fans, heaters, table saws, tiller, and lots of other seasonal items so it will have to handle several thousand pounds.

I do not mind 1 center pole to split the span into 15' and I plan on 2x6 for the floor joist topped with 3/4" plywood. The joist will be at 16" centers. I can not hang any bracing from the roof as the purlins are only 8" at 5' centers.

No handrails will be used, I will use my pallet rack on my front end loader to lift and lower items up there.


I need ideas what to use for the main support beams that will span the width of the buildling. (The 30' span with 1 center support)
I do not have a steel book that will tell me which material will hold what at that span.

I thought of using 2x12 lumber to double up and make headers then use hangers for the 2x6's, but then again using some I-Beam or Channel Iron would probably be cheaper and stronger and termite proof.

Ideas Please.....

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Richard - Rather use steel

03-19-2002 16:52:46




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 Re: HD Shelf in Shop in reply to Richard, 03-17-2002 13:55:58  
I appreciate all of the responses, but I honestly think I would rather use steel beams. I have 4" schedule 80 pipe as main support legs in all 4 corners where I plan to anchor to. Using steel, if I could decide which was the best type & size, I only wanted to have a beam in back, then one up front on 8' centers, then run my 2x6 @ 16"oc running front to back over the top of the beams. I would weld angle iron off the top of the beams to mount the 2x6 to.

I was wondering if something like 6" or 8" channel or I-Beam would be suffucient accross the two 30' sections with with a center support under them at 15'?

All laminated stringers or beams have to be ordered and trucked in, and heck, 10" Narrow flange I beams or about $80 bucks each.

Thanks again, I still welcome anymore input.

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VaTom

03-19-2002 18:04:46




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 Re: Re: HD Shelf in Shop in reply to Richard - Rather use steel, 03-19-2002 16:52:46  
I've always found posts a pain. If you have the ceiling height, you could do a 30' span with as little as 16" height with a K-series bar joist. 15' spans go down to 8" tall. I use bar joists extensively instead of I beams for lower cost and ease of handling. If you are unfamiliar with bar joists, go to just about any commercial building and look up. They're everywhere, for good reason. As long as you don't mind the angle iron to attach your wood joists, this is a better answer. For instance, a 16k2 30' (16" tall and 165 lbs) will support a total load of 161 pounds/lineal ft. Going to a 16k9 bumps it up to 355 pounds/lineal ft (at 300 lbs).

I recently used 40' bar joists in an underground house to hold up 300 tons of dirt. Something you definitely don't want coming down on your head. Cost for the joists and galvanized decking (2000 sq ft)was $8300 delivered. And the lumber yards couldn't understand why I don't use wood?

If you're not having inspections problems you could go with used bar joists. I can generally find them for under $25 ea. Steel scrap yards are the place to check but, for instance, this weekend I'm going to an auction that has some. Usually I build to the length I can find. Around here, you have to beat the Mennonites to the used ones as they've found them to be as useful as I do. And for anything you're planning to do, two people can easily place one.

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old bones

03-19-2002 17:37:18




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 Re: Re: HD Shelf in Shop in reply to Richard - Rather use steel, 03-19-2002 16:52:46  
if you're going to use steel, ask the steel supplier. they have all the weight carrying/span ratings information that you're asking about, unless you're buying used from salvageyard.



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Greg

03-19-2002 10:58:05




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 Re: HD Shelf in Shop in reply to Richard, 03-17-2002 13:55:58  
We have done this in our shop, with a 24' free span, using BCI's on 16" centers. We beefed them up by glueing and screwing 5/8" ply to the inside web on both sides 8' long then adding an another plate of 3/4" ply the full height of the BCI 4' long. Then glued and nailed a 3/4" ply decking on.

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buck

03-17-2002 19:41:58




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 Re: HD Shelf in Shop in reply to Richard, 03-17-2002 13:55:58  

not really sure of your design here- mainly will the existing walls support three sides of this structure.If I may suggest that the approach may be to support the deck in the long (15') direction by using joist there instead of your proposed 8' direction. End support at the existing walls could be the existing wall or a new stud wall with the center support being a built header or again a simple stud wall may work. This design would be marginal with 2x10 on 2' centers but good on 16" centers with 2x12 being good on 2' centers.This info is from a working knowledge in my area you would want to verify with your local lumber yard of building inspector.As for the 3/4" plywood I would suggest looking at OSB as an atlernative.

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old bones

03-18-2002 19:19:54




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 Re: Re: HD Shelf in Shop in reply to buck, 03-17-2002 19:41:58  
around my neck of the woods, 2x10's 14 ft long are max'd @16" o.c. for house floors. 2x12's 16 ft long are max'd @16" o.c for house floors (floor joists are never set 24" o.c.- too much springing). it sounds like he's going to load this up pretty heavy, but your idea of running the joists the 15' direction is a better suggestion. about the o.s.b. (Oriented Strand Board, trade names "Blandex", "Oxbord", etc) for flooring, probably not, as sliding heavy stuff around on it will grate it to pieces in no time, and anything liquid spilled on it does bad things in short time. plywood is, in my opinion, the best flooring for this application.

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old bones

03-17-2002 19:26:21




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 Re: HD Shelf in Shop in reply to Richard, 03-17-2002 13:55:58  
re: my earlier post, check this out:

WWW.LRCPRODUCTS.COM


they have the lvl laminated beams i was refering to. they also have some charts that will help you figure out the size you would need, and to correct my earlier post, you might be able to clearspan the building, according to the info i saw there (but your idea of a center post is a little more comfortable). there are quite a few manufacturers of these around the country, so, if this would work for your application, you shouldn't have any problem finding one. old bones.

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John

03-17-2002 19:02:43




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 Re: HD Shelf in Shop in reply to Richard, 03-17-2002 13:55:58  
You might check with some place like this link for safety reasons.



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old bones

03-17-2002 18:04:41




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 Re: HD Shelf in Shop in reply to Richard, 03-17-2002 13:55:58  
you are right not to try hanging the loft floor from the ceiling/roof, as your truss rafters are not designed to carry the additional load. i seriously doubt that you can buy a steel beam for the same money as lumber, but you'll have to determine that, and you'll have to modify steel H or I beams to attach your 2x6 floor joists. i would suggest using laminated beams. these are available through lumberyards, and are basically a pieces of 1.75" thick plywood of different heights-9.5", 11.5", etc. the lumberyard can tell you what you need if you have all the weights with you. their laminated beam supplier has engineers on hand that can, for no charge, tell you what you need, and your options- 2 layers 14" tall, 2 layers 9.5" tall, etc, depending on your projected loads. otherwise, if you can get your hands on a "sweets file" book, it will tell you how to make a lumber box beam, or any number of other headers, but you will need to determine how much weight the beam/header will be carrying. usually a good carpenter (not a neighborhood wood-butcher) has these, and some libraries have access to them. whatever you do, don't let anybody tell you that you can clearspan this distance. you can't, unless you want to sacrifice a lot of headroom.
if you check out the lam-beam locally and can't get any results, post back and i'll get you in touch with someone who can help you out. bones.

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