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Greaseman

03-15-2002 09:50:04




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I put this question to another board and nobody responded, so here it is a second time. I am going to put in a concrete floor in a four bay garage primarily for tractors. It will have at least 2 drains (4" ID.) per a bay. I am wondering whether I need to power trowel the concrete after it has been poured.




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JK-NY

03-16-2002 05:05:12




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 Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Greaseman, 03-15-2002 09:50:04  

Hi- I answerd you on kountry life but will give it another shot. If you are working inside a finished garage you will have to trowell along the walls by hand and also around your drains by hand . You have to be rreally good with a power trowel to get anywhere near a slight sloped area for your drains or youll make a huge mess of it.Iit were me I'd finih it by hand, if it seems like alot do it in 2 pours. Get a bull float , a hand float or 2 and a good finish trowel. You can rent bull floats.Good luck

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old bones

03-15-2002 18:19:56




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 Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Greaseman, 03-15-2002 09:50:04  
in my opinion, YES!!! i just finished up my new 30'x40' shop this winter. i don't know that you need 2 drains for each bay (i put one in each of my 2 bays), but that's your call. i did all my own carpentry, wiring, and plumbing work, but i hired a crew to do the concrete. if you're doing a shop with 4 bays, that's a lot of square feet to stay ahead of, in terms of concrete setting up, even if you do it in 2 pours, but you don't get any second chances to screed or trowel it. there's nothing more maddening than a concrete floor that has low spots creating water puddles, or a floor that won't clean up. i've run a few power trowels in the past, and it isn't something that you can just grab and go with. it takes a little practice to learn, and you don't want to mess up your own floor, because you'll have to work on it and look at it for a long time. if it were me, i'd spend a little cash and get a professional crew to do the 'crete work. i would (and did) have my concrete trowelled to a glass finish, and spray a commercial concrete sealer on it right away. you won't regret it. my floor cleans up nicely and easily. i was also cautioned by my 'crete contractor about a glass finish and it being slippery (living in n. iowa and snow, etc), but i haven't slipped yet. i had to "wrestle" him into it, but finally got what i wanted, and love it! the sealer helps with oil dripping, also- it doesn't stain the 'crete before i can throw some floor-dri on it. my opinion and my own experience, for what it's worth.

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Jim (RI)

03-16-2002 14:20:25




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 Re: Re: To power trowel or not in reply to old bones, 03-15-2002 18:19:56  
This is GREAT advice. I likewise did my entire garage/shop including footings, walls, construction, wiring, even built my own chimney and brick back for my woodstove. But I hired someone to do the concrete floor. They can use a power trowl even with drains. You'll be glad you did when its all over.

Jim



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Mark in Md

03-15-2002 16:52:04




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 Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Greaseman, 03-15-2002 09:50:04  
I would power trowel it. It will give you a good finish,and its easier to keep clean. Hand finish around the drains, the corners, and the edges. One word of advise, if you have never used a power trowel, practice on a finished slab, or some flat concrete to get the feel of the machine, and let the machine work for you. Alittle too much pressure on the handles and you're in for the ride of your life.

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Joe

03-15-2002 15:13:00




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 Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Greaseman, 03-15-2002 09:50:04  
To hand trowel a 4-bay garage you better be good and fast,or have alot of buddys.I would power trowel.You might ask a finisher to do it for you on the side from his usual job,because that is alot of concrete if you dont really know much about it.When it starts to setup,it goes fast depending on what bag mix your using.Im doing a smaller floor and Im doing the grunt work and leaving the fin. to the expert,money well spent.

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Sam

03-15-2002 14:17:08




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 Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Greaseman, 03-15-2002 09:50:04  
curious - is it essential to trowel - couldnt it just be bull floated over if you don't want it slick?

Sorry for a dumb question, if it is. tnx



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old bones

03-15-2002 17:50:11




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 Re: Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Sam, 03-15-2002 14:17:08  
you could "get by" with just pulling a bull float over it, but if it's going to be used for a shop/garage, go the extra and trowel it. bull floating will leave small ridges that will make water puddle, and the surface will be impossible to broom decently.



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buck

03-15-2002 12:40:36




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 Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Greaseman, 03-15-2002 09:50:04  

to me this is no longer a question asthe old back and legs won't take the hand work mush any more. Just because you power towel doesn't mean that you are going to have a super slick surface. You can read the surface with each pass and determine if you want to make it smoother. If you want to have a super slick finish have a few bags of cement handy to add to the surface as you finish If you want a sand or light brush finish the the power trowel is going to give you this along about the time that the swirl marks no longer show. Keep in mind that the power trowel is still a two person operation. Second needed to help put it on and off slab. They rent for around 50 a day with the bull float and handles for about 15 a day.

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Red Dave

03-15-2002 11:15:09




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 Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Greaseman, 03-15-2002 09:50:04  
You could do it by hand or with a power trowel, but that would be an awful lot to trowel by hand.
Unless you have a lot of helpers, it would probably set up on you too fast to do a nice job by hand.
I would use a power trowel if I was doing it. You will still have some hand work to do in corners, along edges and around the drains.



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gunnysack2

03-15-2002 10:59:20




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 Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Greaseman, 03-15-2002 09:50:04  
I plan to do a 30+40 slab and im,going to either rent a trowel and doit myself or have a friend doit.I think in the end a guy would save time,to get the desired result.gunny



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F14

03-15-2002 10:55:37




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 Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Greaseman, 03-15-2002 09:50:04  
Dunno about the drain question, but I had 'em power trowel my garage slab. Wouldn't have it any other way, easy to sweep and keep clean.

Practically hadda take a stick to the contractor to make him do it, he was positive that a slick floor and Maine winters would have me on my butt every time I walked into the garage.

Hasn't been a problem in 8 years.



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pete

03-15-2002 10:47:36




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 Re: To power trowel or not in reply to Greaseman, 03-15-2002 09:50:04  
If you are putting in floor drains the slab won't be level. Depending on the slope you put in the power trowel might hang up and not give you a good job. Finishing a 1000-1500 sq. ft. with drains sounds like a job for a couple of people doing it by hand.
My opinion.
Pete



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