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fordson29

03-13-2002 20:12:28




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I bought a hot tank tank from a machine shop that closed down. I pumped out 110 gallons of some real hand burning cleaner and there was about 40 gallons left in it. It has a gear reduction that operates a tray inside that moves back and forth. It also has the electric heater in it. I want to check into some biodegratable cemicals for it. Has anyone use them before? Will they do the job? Or do I need to stay with the harsh stuff and try to keep the EPA happy the best I can? Jonathan (JJK Tractor Salvage)

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Jerry S

03-14-2002 07:19:36




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 Re: Hot tank in reply to fordson29, 03-13-2002 20:12:28  
If that was caustic soda, it can be handled quite well for environment reasons. It is an alkaline chemica and can be bought pretty cheaply. It is commonly used in households and industry. Oven cleaner and drain cleaner is the same but more diluted stuff. To handle the waste, you can neutralize it. The right amount of hydrocloric acid and lye will result in water and salt but you have to know how to get them mixed without causing a lot of heat in the solution. You might want to call some other radiator shops and ask them what they do. Local guys work under your same laws.

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llamas

03-14-2002 09:12:59




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 Re: Re: Hot tank in reply to Jerry S, 03-14-2002 07:19:36  
Agreed, the working chemical in a hot-tank is not really an environmental issue - it's just really good lye. Note that there are safety issues, but that's another matter.

The issue with a hot-tank is what's in it after it's been used a time or two. The sludge may contain lead-based paints, all kinds of metal debris (including other no-nos like cadmium) as well as a cocktail of hydrocarbons. That's what's going to be tough to dispose of, legally and with an eye to the environment.

llater,

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Franz

03-13-2002 23:33:17




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 Re: Hot tank in reply to fordson29, 03-13-2002 20:12:28  
What was in that tank is caustic soda.
Hot caustic soda & water solution will eat just about anything, including aluminum.
It will also strip paint real good.
I'm not aware of any other cleaner that will do what caustic will, especially in a tank designer for caustic.



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fordson29

03-14-2002 04:58:23




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 Re: Re: Hot tank in reply to Franz, 03-13-2002 23:33:17  
Franz, How long does this stuff stay good if you use it maybe ones a week? Also how much does this stuff cost if it needs repaced? I am sure that what is in it now is good. I was told there was some that was biodegadable, but they probily know about as much as I do about it. I figured when I used it I would just make sure I had enough parts to fill it up. Jonathan (JJK Tractor Salvage)



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Franz

03-14-2002 13:26:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Hot tank in reply to fordson29, 03-14-2002 04:58:23  
The fellow I know who had one used it for years without doing much more than adding caustic.
Back in the day of returnable beer bottles, the brewery used caustic, in tank truck quantitys to clean returned bottles and soak the labels off them, and the waste water was simply run down the sewer. Maximum life on the caustic would be a matter of how much grease gets into it, so although it will eat grease, you'd be better served by pressure washing things before you put them in the tank.
By the way, BEER is an antidote and will keep caustic from burning you badly if you get caustic on your skin. I know it sounds nuts, but in this situation, the beer must be poured directly onto the caustic, rather than taken internally.

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Frank

03-14-2002 18:06:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hot tank in reply to Franz, 03-14-2002 13:26:06  
Boy, I wish I'd known about the beer trick about 25 years ago. Has anyone ever heard of running caustic soda in tractor tires? I went out to fix a flat on an old tractor, once. I'd fixed several, so I was familiar with calcium chloride. I was handling this fluid the same way I always did. I noticed it seemed to sting a little more, but thought it must've been mixed a little stronger. I was nearly finished when the customer arrived. As I was putting the valve stem back in the tube, A little bit of the liquid got on my hands. Nothing unusual, I'd had my hands in calcium chloride lots of times. The customer warned "Don't get that on you, It's caustic soda." I wasn't familiar with the stuff so I figured it must be another term for calcium chloride. That's my first and only experience with the stuff. I remember my hands were sore and swollen for several days after that.

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