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PTO driven air compressor(truck)

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brian

03-07-2002 19:19:09




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I've got a dodge diesel and want to put an air compressor on it (other than the 5hp. gas compressor I have taking up a lot of room on the bed). I was thinking of mounting it under the truck and driving it off of the PTO on the transmission. Was wondering if anyone new the RPM of the PTO's on trucks and what RPM should the compressor turn to pump at least 120 psi. Due to the lack of room it appears that they would have to be connected direct with a shaft instead of using pullies and belts. Any info on compressors on trucks is appriciated.

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brian in ky

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Franz

03-08-2002 16:57:42




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 Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to brian, 03-07-2002 19:19:09  
I have a couple compressors that came off furnace cleaning rucks. They were mounted above the frame, with belt drive from the PTO shaft.
They also have built in idlers that open the valves of the compressor when it reaches pressure, so the compressor just idles over.



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John

03-08-2002 08:51:28




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 Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to brian, 03-07-2002 19:19:09  
Wow, a Diesel engine to run an air compressor. It sure seems like overkill to me. Hopefully you would gear up and us idle gear.



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fordson29

03-08-2002 07:03:21




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 Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to brian, 03-07-2002 19:19:09  
When you buy a PTO for your truck you buy it by the % of engine speed. 50%-60% would be great for what you want. The bad thing about PTOs if you get 100% which are the cheapest there is no gear reduction in it so it turns one way and if you get a lower or higher % then it turns the oposite way. I have seen PTOs that ran 120% the engine speed for generators on military contact trucks. A 50% PTO will run you $350 in this area. 100% will run $150. Jonathan

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brian

03-08-2002 16:30:52




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 Re: Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to fordson29, 03-08-2002 07:03:21  
I've got an old PTO that came off of a 2-ton chevy. I can change the gear so it will fit the NV4500 tranny on my truck but I have no idea what % of the trucks rpm it turns. Any way to tell other than mounting it and sticking a RPM reader oo it?

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brian in ky



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Mark Kw

03-08-2002 04:08:40




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 Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to brian, 03-07-2002 19:19:09  
If you are planning on using it heavy, I'd stay away from the underhood compressors. They are a pain to install and a bigger pain to work on in addition to jamming up an aready jammed up engine compartment. Had lots of problems with factory mounting brakets breaking as well. Depending on the type, size, style and connection to the engine, they can also be hard on other accessory driven items such as water pumps, alt's, PS pumps, ect.

PTO driven underbody mounts are the most effective heavy duty use ones as long as you don't mind running up the trucks engine hours. You can get these in both direct drive and belt drive. There are many different styles of these for different applications. Belt driven ones can be run from a sheave on the PTO shaft or by a hydraulic motor driven by a hyd. PTO pump. Some allow for a direct drive hyd. motor connection as well. Hyd. driven is the best way to go if you have low underbody clearance which would cause problems using a shaft driven unit.

Shaft driven are the least complex and problematic simply because they are less complex. It's not going to save you any money in the set-up, most underbody compressors and good quality underhood compressors run as much as a self contained engine driven one.

As far as RPM's, you have to set this for the pump itself. Obviously with a hydraulic or belt drive, you can adjust for PTO speed by changing oil flow/pressure with a regulator or valve and with belts you can change sheave sizes to get within the limits. Most compressor pumps run 650 to 950 rpm, with some exceptions for special application pumps. PTO come in a various ratios but you need to know all the info on the tranny and the required speed of the pump in order to get the correct PTO.

If you need any specific info on a particular set-up, email me. I've been installing and repairing all of these for many years on all sorts of trucks.

The amount of information and variables is far too great to try and sum up with a general post like this. Be glad to help you out and keep you from making mistakes that will end up costing you serious money to fix. I've delt with at least 250 different compressors and set-ups over the years.

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Roger

03-07-2002 21:27:52




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 Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to brian, 03-07-2002 19:19:09  
I think there is a Bendix compressor that mounts directly into the accessory drive on a Cummins, as these motors are also quite widely used in Ford cabover single-axle trucks. I believe it mounts inline with the fuel pump, as it was described to me. It would be a lot neater than rigging up a shaft drive system. I would talk to the local Cummins shops and see what they have to say.



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brian

03-08-2002 04:49:31




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 Re: Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to Roger, 03-07-2002 21:27:52  
Thanks, I think the one your talking about mounts where the power steering pump is and then you mount the pump on the back of it. Not sure if it would clear motor mounts. Not a lot of room in there.

brian in ky



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Roger

03-08-2002 16:30:17




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 Re: Re: Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to brian, 03-08-2002 04:49:31  
Have a look at this:



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brian

03-08-2002 17:44:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to Roger, 03-08-2002 16:30:17  
Thanks Roger, I was on Boss's homepage the other night but didn't find this page.

Thanks,
brian in ky



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jim

03-07-2002 22:17:32




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 Re: Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to Roger, 03-07-2002 21:27:52  
there is also an underhood mount type that is belt driven, water cooled with electric clutch.



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brian

03-08-2002 04:50:29




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 Re: Re: Re: PTO driven air compressor(truck) in reply to jim, 03-07-2002 22:17:32  
Will it mount on the cummins with the serpenteen belt?

brian in ky



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