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MIG wire binding on spool

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Brad

03-01-2002 22:44:37




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I have a Lincoln Weld Pack 100 and I'm using .023" wire. I am really having trouble with the wire binding up on the spool. The feed wheels are as tight as they will go and when the wire binds, the wheels just slip. I didn't have this problem with .030" wire, probably because the feed wheels grabbed the thicker wire better. Any one else have this problem? How did you fix it?
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Brad

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Trucker

03-09-2002 20:10:42




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 Re: MIG wire binding on spool in reply to Brad, 03-01-2002 22:44:37  
You have to use a .023 tip,and your tension might be too tight on the spool.If the wire is rusty,spray it with WD 40 clothespin and a piece of a scotch brite pad,spray it good with WD40,clip it over the wire where it feeds into the liner past the rollers.If its real rusty you might want to take the top layer off.You might have to get a new liner just to run .023 because the .035 might have a groove worn in it and the .023 might be wiggling as at goes through causing it to bind.You might have to get different rollers..023 doesnt push as easy as .035.It takes a little finer tune on everything.If you didnt change the tip,thats the best bet as to the problem,also you need to cut the heat down from the .035,and the wire speed too.It might not be adjusted close enough so that when you start welding you get instant birdnest.With .023 you just dont have as wide of a range that it runs good in as with .035.Also you want to snip the end of the wire before you weld.Its more critical to do this with .023 than .035.I dont know about a Lincoln,but with mine I set the wire speed at about 1/3 less,and 1 heat range lower,just to start with and that seems to work.Once you get it running you can fine tune the feed,but most likely its too high.Also want to make sure you have a good ground,sometimes I just weld the ground to what I am welding.If none of that works explain better what its doing.It might take a while for me to see it,but if it happens with a mig it probobly has happened to me before as I have worn a couple of industrial Hobarts out in my life,and other than the electrical part of it,I might be able to tell you what to try.You dont say,but if the .023 spool is smaller than the .035 spool you were using,you can bet your spool tension is too tight.Maybe you had a 10lb .035 and a 2lb .023?

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Robert Mc

03-05-2002 18:39:00




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 Re: MIG wire binding on spool in reply to Brad, 03-01-2002 22:44:37  
Brad i to have the weld pac 100 and you have to swap the drive wheels when using diferent wire.i also use a small piece of scotchbright cloth held onto the wire with a cloths pin betweendrive roles and spool,it does a good job of cleaning the wire,you will be supprised at how dirty the wire is.



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Chuck

03-02-2002 19:20:36




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 Re: MIG wire binding on spool in reply to Brad, 03-01-2002 22:44:37  
Brad, I have a Lincoln 155 and had the same problem until I found the spool tension adjuster. It is a set screw inside the shaft that the wing screw that retains the spool screws into. Use an allen wrench to adjust it. Mine had either worked further into the shaft or the wing nut wore down a little to give me too much spool tension. Hope this helps.



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carl

03-02-2002 18:20:55




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 Re: MIG wire binding on spool in reply to Brad, 03-01-2002 22:44:37  
brad,
the biggest culprit i've found in 20 yrs. of mig welding is the liner gets dirty and the wire will not feed freely. Spray some wd-40 in the liner and on the wire and see if this helps. You will have to work with it for a little while, but i will bet that is your problem. You can replace liners but they will do the same thing again eventually.



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Russ

03-02-2002 06:03:54




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 Re: MIG wire binding on spool in reply to Brad, 03-01-2002 22:44:37  
Richard made a good point, is the slot in the drive wheel correct for your wire diameter? Is the wheel lined up right so there is a nice straight shot out to the gun. Sometimes you can get a buildup of copper dust or whatever it is they coat the steel wire with, on the drive wheels. Clean them up good and then find a place where you can place one of those heavy duty paper clips( blued steel with silver arms)lightly clamping a piece of felt over the wire to wipe it down before it hits the drive wheels and liner. Is it possible that the wire roll got rusty and is sticking together? How about the tension on the reel holder, you could get away with alot more on the .030 because there is more surface area to pull on with the drive wheel. Lincoln does, or did make a knurled drive wheel that should fit this machine if all else fails. Just a few ideas. Russ

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Richard

03-02-2002 05:22:06




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 Re: MIG wire binding on spool in reply to Brad, 03-01-2002 22:44:37  
Sorry, but I'm not sure how many times you have installed new spools on your machine, but the most common problem I've seen is people allow the wire to slightly birdnest while routing the wire through the wheels and gun. Believe me, it's not hard to do. My best/easiest solution to that is to waste a little wire, just feed the top layer off of it until she feeds good. I'm sure you could pull the spool off and rewrap it but I didn't feel it was worthwhile to do so. Now I have learned to get the wire nice and tight when changing spools then adjust the spool tension once everything is fed through correctly.

If this is "not" the case then the only other suggestions I have is make sure you are on the correct slot in the wheels for that size wire, and have the correct liner.

Maybe others here will have some suggestions as well.

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T_Bone

03-02-2002 11:08:04




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 Re: Re: MIG wire binding on spool in reply to Richard, 03-02-2002 05:22:06  
Hi Brad,
First check the tip to make sure it's feeding wire free.

Next check the liner to see if it's clean and not binding.

Next check the liner feed tip to make sure it's not grooved and the wire hanging up there.

Next take the drive rolls off and cut off a small piece of wire and place it between the rolls grooves while holding upto the sunlight and if the drive roll faces are touching then the wire gooves are worn and the drive rolls needs replaced. Some drive rolls have two different grooves for different wire sizes and make sure they match wire size when you reinstall them. They will be stamped for the correct wire size on the edge of the drive roll.

Next check the tennsion on the wire spool. It should be firm but not hard when trying to unspool wire. The center nut adjusts the spool tennsion. If it binds or won't spool off smoothly then clean the wire spool drive tennsion adjustment.

If the wire has rust or other forgien material either clean the wire or replace it. Also watch for the wire crossing over another wire causing binding.

T_Bone

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