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Learning how to weld and use torches

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Jim

02-28-2002 08:51:09




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I am just getting into restoring old tractors and engines and having a ball. I have a small MIG welder and cutting torch. I have called every vocational school and welding supply house in the state (RI) and no one has any classes on their use. Are there any videos available to teach welding and torch use, or maybe a book I could buy? Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim

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Trucker

03-09-2002 21:33:49




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
HTP America has a website and they have a video they sell for mig welding that might help.First I think you should get some scrap metal and practice every chance you get.Its hard to write what you need to do,but if you can find somebody that is a welder to teach you a little bit,in a couple of days you can be welding stuff that will even surprise you.Once you get started you never stop learning. Start with the torch.Set the oxygen at about 20 and the acetylene at about 8.Put the cutting attachment on it,light it by turning the valve for the acetylene on just a little,but enough to when it lights it stays lit good,just a little past where it leaves black soot in the air,then ease the oxy on.Get the flame to where it is blue,and the white ends just out of the holes on the tip are visible,try and heat a piece of metal,when it starts to look red ease the bar down and start cutting.Once you can cut a piece of metal take the 2 pieces,put them in a vice,grind the cut off smooth,the fire up the welder.Set the co2 gauge to about 20,pull the trigger untill you hear gas,clip the wire,or you can use the purge switch if your welder has one and save the wire,set the metal you ground off to where it has a small gap between the pieces.Put the clipped end of the wire right above the gap real close,drop your hood and squeeze the trigger,dont let the sparks scare you or make you jump,just see if you can get the metal to melt.If you get it going and its melting wire watch the puddle,you will see a bright area of melted metal,not the bright light of the arc,you watch the metal,as the wire melts into the metal think about how thick the metal is and when the weld looks about twice as wide as the metal is thick move the wire to the front of the puddle,right to the edge,practice untill you are allways at the front of the puddle of metal when the weld gets as wide as you want it.You most likely need to start with some thick metal like maybe something about 1/2 inch thick.Its easier for me to weld thick stuff as you go slower and you can see whats going on longer before you need to do anything.Back to the torch,once you get to where you can cut a piece of metal with it,try to watch the sparks as well as the gap where you are cutting,maybe angle the torch a little forward as you cut and watch the sparks,kind of in your minds eye,just be aware of them,and if you dont see them you sre going too fast,or too slow,when you are moving at just the right speed,and see sparks flying all the time,when you get through the piece should fall off with very little slag to grind off.You want to keep the tip of the torch to where the white ends of the flame which come out of the holes in the tip are just touching or a little above the piece you are cutting.If you get hit by a spark and jerk,and the tip hits the piece,you most likely will need to clean the tip with a tip cleaner.The ones that are like drill bits are the best,just use the right size,dont drill the holes out any bigger.Back to the welder,as you watch the puddle you can see a line to where its liquid metal and where its starting to get solid looks like a dofferent color,if the line you see is straight across the puddle you are going jus the right speed,if its curved on the edges you are going too fast,if its rounded you are going too slow.Its easier to see this line with a stick welder,once you do,its a way to get your speed close,but with a mig you have to watch the color too,as you usually will be welding thin stuff probobly,and if you see sparks flying off the weld its going to drop causing a big hole to fill.You have to get off the trigger before you see the sparks or it will fall,Its kind of a fine line on something thin as to making a good weld and burning a hole,but the color of the melting metal can tell you.Sometimes you cant go very far before its too hot.You might not get much more than a tack before you need to stop,watch the glow when it gets dark red through your hood go again.

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Arlin Reed

03-06-2006 08:00:08




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 Re: Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Trucker, 03-09-2002 21:33:49  
Send me some stuff on how to use a cutting torch.

Thank you Arlin Reed



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T_Bone

02-28-2002 23:05:00




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
Hi Jim,

Try Community College?

Another good source is High school shop teachers. Some teach one on one for a small fee. They'll be good for the basics.

T_Bone



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kraig WY

02-28-2002 16:59:26




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
I think Dale is right. Get that sucker out and start practing. A book would be nice to set the gages to start but experence is the best teacher. Get some junk metal and start welding. Then fire up the torch and start cutting your scrap. Wont be long before you will have some nice welds and clean cuts. Welding schools are nice but if you don't have one you don't have one. I would have to drive 200 miles to class. But then I have feeding to do. PRACTICE.

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mike

02-28-2002 15:17:37




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
There are videos out there. I know this because I'm a junior in high school and enrolled in a welding class and the videos the teach has got aren't the most interesting but very informitive.
I'm not sure of the companies that make the videos but I'd have to imagine that Lincoln or Miller should have some available. Hope this helps.



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david boothby

02-28-2002 15:02:06




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
try the hobart school of welding in ohio it is in troy ohio above dayton. this is the welding capitol of the world they teach people from around the world to weld here. lincoln is another good school also. but if you want to get a good welder . for the heavier iron and steel on older type tractors get a good stick welder. anybody can mig weld . the 2 best stick welders on the market is hobart and lincoln . after all it was these 2 companys that actually mass producing welding machines. in the early thirtys. and they the oldest and best in the industry. ive used both for years . gasoline driven and diesel and electric. and of course . there made in ohio .

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Dale Truax

02-28-2002 12:56:16




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
Take that sucker out of the box, plug it in , get a few pieces of scrap metal and practice. If your mig. is a (gas) type machine, you will have to clean the metal to a positive clean, removing all scale, rust and grease. A flux core wire is a little more forgiving. Remember, the smaller the wire size, the thinner the metal you can weld and visa-versa. Practice with the heat range and the wire feed speed and pretty soon you'll be making that thing sing. Good luck

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old bones

02-28-2002 12:52:19




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
as a last resort to the aforementioned contacts, you might contact the guidance counselor at your local high school. they should be able to point you to a vo-tech that offers welding, as i am sure there are high school kids in RI that want to take up welding. here in iowa, most high schools offer welding classes to students, and many have night classes available to adults.



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Bob Weber

02-28-2002 12:41:12




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
Contact this place in Providence. A link on the web said they have a welding curriculum, but I couldn't find any info about it on their site.

Link



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LarryG

02-28-2002 10:16:40




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
Marlboro, MA may be closer to you than Tewksbury, MA, but Shawsheen Voc has evening welding courses. Considered it myself, might one day.



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llamas

02-28-2002 10:10:21




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
It's hard to learn to weld out of a book. Best way is by personal one-on-one instruction.

I can't believe that there isn't a single vo-tech or adult-ed class in RI that does this - but then, RI is a pretty small place.

I would find a guy who has his own welding shop or service and ask to watch over his shoulder or be his helper for a few days.

If you really want to get good, fast, contact Lincoln Electric (www.lincolnelectric.com) and ask for Jackie Marley. When you get her, as her when the next Welding Technology Workshop will be. This is a weeklong class held at Lincoln's plant in Cleveland, OH. It costs, like, $250 - peanuts. You'll learn more about welding, and burn more electrodes, in that class, than you can imagine. It's so good - I took it twice.

HTH

llater,

llamas

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Tim B

02-28-2002 10:08:12




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 Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Jim, 02-28-2002 08:51:09  
Jim,

What kind of vocations do the vocational schools in RI teach!?

I'm sure that you could find a handful of Voc schools in Mass that have adult ed. classes for welding - go to>Link

I took an adult ed welding course at Assebett Voc. School in Marlboro MA a couple years ago. They have scaled it back since then (i.e., a little less $$$ but about 2/3ds the time in the shop) but are still running it. If you are from northern RI it may not be too long of a drive.

good luck

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Ol Chief

03-03-2002 08:58:20




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 Re: Re: Learning how to weld and use torches in reply to Tim B, 02-28-2002 10:08:12  
Remember practice makes perfect. Once you master those skills, Iam sure that you will enjoy a great a sense of accomplishment.Many years ago I attended the Hobart school and recommend it highly. If you cannot get a teacher,try to remember three cardinal points.If you get the heat about right,the tip of the rod should be away from the work approx.= to dia. of the rod in use. Then,practice watching the molten puddle because that is going to determine the quality of the weld.Every beginner has a natural tendendency to watch the arc. You can almost never make a good weld by gazing at the arc. Last but very important make certain that you have a good clear solid ground connection.If you experience a realy weird arc, like metal dripping from rod or arc wondering around like a crawling worm, you probably have a bad ground or a damp rod. If the condition continues ,try moving the ground connection to different locations.Hope this helps .Good luck. Ol Chief
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