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MO

02-27-2002 12:50:49




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Putting up a new shop/pole barn. Have read all the posts about best type of materials for airlines, how to run them, etc. My question is what is the best size of line to use? I currently have a Campbell Hausfield 5HP, 30 gallon tank, single stage. I don't want to have a system that this compressor won't support, but I would like to leave room for a big two stage 80 gal. unit one day. This is just a home shop with air tools, some painting, and the like. Your thoughts and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, MO

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tools

03-04-2002 12:48:03




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 Re: Shop - Air Line Size? in reply to MO, 02-27-2002 12:50:49  
Hi,

From what I've researched, 1/2" line is adequate within 30 to 50' of the compressor. I have 1/2 black iron pipe and it works great. Going to use 3/4 or 1" to get the air to the other shop. This jives with what has already been said.

Something to consider, which wasn't mentioned, is the shutoff valve. Most people use a ball valve, which I recommend. However, I lucked onto a place that sells REALLY NICE full flow shutoff valves for less than the home depot regular ones, about $5 for a 1/2" model. It does seem to help, as now there are no restrictions in the system until the air gets to the 3/8 hose. By the way, the full flow valve is just like a regular one, but the inside diameter of the hole in the ball is the same as 1/2 pipe, 1/2" I guess, never actually measured.

Also, by the way, the place is Walter Woods Industrial Supply in Chattanooga, TN. They have crates full of these things, 1/2, 3/4, 1 and even some bigger. Don't know why they are so cheap, I guess they overordered as some point in history. Foreign made, but very high quality.

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welchpj

03-03-2002 07:33:44




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 Re: Shop - Air Line Size? in reply to MO, 02-27-2002 12:50:49  
I have a shop just like you are planning to build. The compressor is a 6 hp. / 60 gal. unit. I installed flex line (heavy reinforced rated rubber hose) from the compressor to a copper line. I used 1/2 copper throughout the barn above the ceiling with soldered joints. Each drop has quick disconnect and depending on planned use is either a 1/4" or 3/8" line. Part of my shop is setup for wood working the other for metal. I use air blow nozzles, grinders, sanders and wrenches. My installation keeps up with all the tools I use. I run 120 psi in the line and the unit starts when the compressor drops to 90 psi. Sizing your compressor (CFM) is the most important thing. Keep in mind most tools the air inlet connection is 1/4�, using too small a line can cause problems but really it all goes back to your compressor. If your composer can�t keep up with the tool (CFM requirements) larger tanks, lines etc. only buys you a short extend run time. The 1/2 line with the right compressor is all you need unless you will have multiple work stations running at the same time. The 1/2� copper installation was much less than going to 3/4� when you consider all the fittings, connections, and quick disconnect adapters. My choice was to spend the money and buy the best compressor I could afford. Remember you said a home shop.

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Greaseman

03-02-2002 16:46:55




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 Re: Shop - Air Line Size? in reply to MO, 02-27-2002 12:50:49  
Although I havn't set up my shop completley yet--awaiting the better weather--but, I am going to have a 36" braided wire flex hose as mentioned ion the other postings above. Then 1 inch lines to 1/2 drops where and when I need them. I am getting aproximately 300 feet of 1 inch or1-1/2 inch pipe. This was being thrown out and I can't refuse junk!! For me it will be the fittings that actually cost the "big" money. I am going to have my compressor on a concrete pedestal which will be 3'X3'X4' this means it will not get wet in case of a flood but also easier to access the drain on the bottom.

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Mike

03-01-2002 00:30:56




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 Re: Shop - Air Line Size? in reply to MO, 02-27-2002 12:50:49  
You can't go to big! Think of it as adding reserve storage to your tank. I used 1 inch PVC and plumbed the works,garage, shop, patio, work room-office etc. PVC schedule 40 is pressure ratted in excess of most air systems,it's inexpensive and is very fast and easy to work with. Remember to prime before you glue, paint pipe that is exposed to sunlight,and ground the system. My system took a couple of hours and is the envy of all that have seen it! It's about 15 years old,no problems. Have Fun and just do it;Mike

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Johnny in NE Tx

02-27-2002 16:23:51




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 Re: Shop - Air Line Size? in reply to MO, 02-27-2002 12:50:49  
I'd guess that 3/4" pipe is probably just a tad more money than 1/2", I have all 3/4" and use air hoses that are 1/4" I have not found much of a difference in the 3/8" and 1/4" air hose except that the 1/4" is a lot more flexible and easier to work with. I like the smaller hose. I make a living in my shop 6 days a week.



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Rod (NH)

02-27-2002 15:42:08




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 Re: Shop - Air Line Size? in reply to MO, 02-27-2002 12:50:49  
My 5hp/2stage/80gal unit has a 3/4" NPT tapping for the tank take off. 3/4" should be more than adequate for main line distribution size in a small shop. I actually go off the main shutoff at the tank with 1/2" but I only go to a single adjacent reducing station. If I were to install a piping distribution system, I would use 3/4" for the header(s) and 1/2" for the drops. I would use the same numerical size for either copper or steel pipe. My personal preference would be copper, type L. You likely are using 3/8" hose to your tools, spray gun, etc. The biggest pressure drop in the system will be in that hose if you use the sizes noted�and that�s the way you want it IMHO.

Rod

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MO

02-27-2002 14:44:45




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 Re: Shop - Air Line Size? in reply to MO, 02-27-2002 12:50:49  
To clarify my ramblings, should I use 3/4" main line with 1/2" drops, or is 1/2" main line good enough? Thanks,

MO



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Cliff Neubauer

02-27-2002 16:11:53




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 Re: Re: Shop - Air Line Size? in reply to MO, 02-27-2002 14:44:45  
1/2" would probably work for up to about 40' before you get too much pressure drop. I would go with 3/4", I used 1/2" for about 70' of line and it drops about 20 psi along the way. Run 20-25' of line before you install any air filters so the air can cool allowing the moisture to be removed.



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Mark Kw

02-28-2002 05:13:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Shop - Air Line Size? in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 02-27-2002 16:11:53  
Personally, I have been in shops run with 1/2 galv steel and when you get a high cfm tool, you notice a serious loss of flow and pressure.

Personally, I would run at least 1" NPT galv. for the main line, in a continuous loop back to the compressor. Slight pitch upward going away from the tank to the mid-point of the loop then donward pitch on the return side back to the tank. Drop are best done with a full size tee and drop line, such as if you use 1" for the main, use 1" for the drop. Extend the drop line at least 12" below the outlet level and reduce it to 1/4" npt installing a drain cock at the lowest point of the drop. This will help catch any water or crud before it can enter the hose, fittings, tools, ect. For the outlet, use a either a full size tee fitting on the drop line with a bushing reducer or a reducing branch tee to the quick coupler size you choose. Installing a valve in the drop line above the outlet allows you to shut down only that outlet should you need to change a quick coupler or whatever eliminating the need to drain the whole system.

At the compressor tank, do not hard pipe to the tank itself. Spend a couple extra bucks and get yourself a good high quality, high pressure stainless steel braided flex hose at least 36" long and 1.5 times the diameter of the main line. Install this between the tank and main line so that you do not put vibration stress from the compressor into the main hard pipe, also helps reduce noise transmission through the system. At the tank, install a valve then a union then the flex line. On the compressor end of the main line, install a tee with the branch going to the compressor, this is where you will complete the return loop of the main line. For the drop line from the main loop to the flex line, also use 1.5 times diameter pipe. As with the outlet drop legs, extend the pipe below the connection for the flex line and install a drain cock at the very bottom. Rule of thumb for drain extention length is 20 times the pipe diameter used. Connect the flex line to the hard pipe with a union, adding an extra valve between the main line and flex line is also a good idea. Installing an extra tee just above or below the flex connection to the main line putting a valve on the branch allows for easy addition of a second compressor unit or storage tank without having to disturb the existing hard piping. If you plan on installing a second compressor to run in tandem with the main one, install a flow check valve on the main compressor now. Best placement is between the tank and main shut off valve before the flex line. This will prevent flow from the second compressor from being able to go back into the main compressor. This is especially important if you add a higher pressure compressor as the secondary. The check valve will prevent overpressure condition in the lower pressure unit. When installing a second compressor unit, also use a flow check valve in the same manner as above.

If you add a secondary storage tank, be absolutely sure to install the correct size and pressure safety relief valve on the tank.

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02-28-2002 05:30:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Shop - Air Line Size? in reply to Mark Kw, 02-28-2002 05:13:39  
Just saw Rod's post on moisture trap below, put the link at the bottom of this post. Excellent pic of what I was describing in my post above. Thanks Rod!
Mark Kw



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