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Building a Compressor, what do i need????

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Jone

02-17-2002 11:47:23




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I have got an old pressure tank(approx 700 liters), and some compressor blocks from an old cooling system, and I want to build a compressor, since the one we have are way too small to do any heavy duty work.

So i am wondering what parts i need to get this thing working




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Zira

02-18-2002 17:07:44




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 Re: Building a Compressor, what do i need???? in reply to Jone, 02-17-2002 11:47:23  
I am NOT the guy to ask about the technical stuff, but I am a scrounger. You can go to any scrap yard in America & find lots of BIG compressors - usually 2 stage, but not always. Many will be trash, but not all. If you know what to look for, you can open them up & check for the usual problems. Theses will not be new but they will also only cost $0.11 - $0.15 /lb. Ditto tanks, and if you have a way to carry enough water (know a farmer?) you can do a quick-&-dirty hydro test in the field. Pulleys are the same, and even motors (although they cost more due to copper).

That said, buying a new or used unit from a dealer (or at least from someone closing a shop) is probably a better bet.

I did see a really neat old Kellogg 2-stage today that was old enough that it said "Division of Amwerican Brake Shoe Company Rochester New York" on it...

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John in MA

02-17-2002 22:09:46




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 Re: Building a Compressor, what do i need???? in reply to Jone, 02-17-2002 11:47:23  
I wouldn't be so pessimistic. Here's what I did for my home made compressor:

Like-new vintage cast iron compressor: free from scrap bin
Good shape '70s 20 gallon Sears tank: free from scrap bin
1/2HP Dayton motor: $10 from yard sale
Used Square-D pressure switch: $12 off eBay
Two new wheels: $20 from HD
Fittings, tubing, safety valve, etc: About $30 from stores.

The compressor is like new. I just needed to replace some gaskets on the crankcase. I hydro tested the tank by filling it with water and pumping with a grease gun. Ran it up to 160 pounds with no problems, and I use it at 108. Repainted the tank and the motor in a nice olive drab. I disassembled the pressure switch to check and lube it. There isn't anything that go wrong with them except a leaking diaphragm. After that, I just needed to plumb the compressor line, unloader line, and all the gauges and fittings.

Yours is a much larger scale. I would get the tank hyro'd by a pro. Probably also would ditch the AC compressors for anything this size, unless they're big and have an oil-filled crankcase. You will need to study the design of compressors before you get a really good idea of what to do. Talking to guys at a compressor shop might be good in your case. One thing to remember is that this has the potential of being very dangerous. Don't do anything until you understand it fully.

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Roger

02-17-2002 22:58:43




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 Re: Re: Building a Compressor, what do i need???? in reply to John in MA, 02-17-2002 22:09:46  
John in MA wrote:
"Talking to guys at a compressor shop might be good in your case"

I am a guy from a compressor shop, heh heh.

Seriously, if anyone can build a home compressor cost effectively and SAFELY, more power to them. Looks like you did very well John. I just want people to realize there are many potential pitfalls in building your own machine. You can cheap-out on a lot of things but the tank must be safe and the electrical must be done right. Forewarned is fore-armed.

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Roger

02-17-2002 19:30:32




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 Re: Building a Compressor, what do i need???? in reply to Jone, 02-17-2002 11:47:23  
Almost all compressor bulding projects end up as expensive, or more expensive than buying a new one in the first place. Inevitably, if you do manage to come in much lower than the price of a new unit, you are usually left with a dog's breakfast of marginal tank, marginal motor, usually running at the wrong speed and a nearly worn out pump that is almost always passing oil. But, if you really want to tackle this you will need 1) A real air compressor, since refrigerant compressors almost always are designed to pump oil with the refrigerant. Some don't even have rings or ring grooves in the pistons. 2) A motor of adequate horsepower. Preferably one with start and run capacitors (single phase for home use). You will have to figure out the requirements of the pump you have. Anything over 5hp will require you to slow the pump down to run it on household current with a 3hp motor or less. If you have to go slower than 500 RPM you will probably not have adequate lubrication for a splash-lube pump. IF you do not have the HP requirements of the pump at hand, you can measure the displacement of all 1st stage cylinders and calculate 1hp for every 10 cubic inches of 1st stage displacement. This will require you to pull the head of the pump and measure bore and stroke, so figure on making some new head gaskets at the very least. Don't be surprised to find scored cylinders or broken valve springs on a pump with a lot of hours on it. 3) An ADEQUATE tank. Water tanks are a ticking time bomb when used as air tanks. Don't do it. You can only judge the condition of a tank by unscrewing one of the large caps and looking inside with a light or a candle on a stick. Don't be surprised to find a lot of rust or oil. A guy I know had his tank erupt into flames on the inside because there was so much oil and debris in there. 4) A pressure switch. Used switches are rarely any good. Why else would they have been removed from service. Usually you have to buy one with an unloader valve on it, to blow down the pump after each cycle. 5) A safety relief valve, for when it all goes wrong. Preferably one with a large CFM rating to relieve pressure as quickly as possible. 6) New belts 7) New pulley and sheave for the motor, which are sized according to the formula above. You have to figure out the balance of volume/pressure you want to achieve. The compressor should be set to cut out at maximum amp draw on the motor. If this occurs at say, 90 psi and you want to go to a higher pressure than that, you will have to put a smaller pulley on the motor to reach the higher pressure while not exceeding the max amp draw of the motor. i.e. slowing the pump down 8) New air filter 9) Drain valve for the tank to release the condensate from the tank 10) A valve to shut off the air to your shop, preferably a ball valve that opens and closes in 90 degrees of travel with the valve handle. 11) Belt guard, which you can fabricate yourself. 12) Proper electrical hookup, which will require the services of an electrician. I have seen some pretty scary electrical installations, including a guy who hooked up a 3 phase motor using two hot leads from a 220V breaker and 1 from a 110V breaker. For the life of me I don't know how some people get away with doing things like that. 13) A check valve to isolate the pump from tank pressure after cut out and to seal the air inside the tank 14) A discharge tube to bring the air from the pump into the tank. This will probably be made up of some 3/4 copper tubing and some compression fittings.

I don't want to be too pessimistic. By all means go for it if you think you can do it cheaply and safely. My own friend just found out the hard way that rolling your own compressor is not always a good idea. He has a marginal motor, a rebuilt aluminum pump, a new tank, to replace the $50 one that ended up being full of pin holes (after he had it powder coated!), a pre fab belt guard and still has to put in a couple of hours labour to put it all together. After it is all said and done, I think he saved $50 over the price of a new unit with all new components and a warranty.

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Denny Frisk

02-17-2002 16:19:07




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 Re: Building a Compressor, what do i need???? in reply to Jone, 02-17-2002 11:47:23  
Depending on how BIG a compressor your planning on building, it's actually cheaper and MUCH SAFER to BUY what You need. First step would be to have Your OLD pressure tank Hydrostatic tested for the PSI range You think You need. A 700 Liter or approx. 175 gal. tank could blow the roof off a house if it blew-up at 100 psi!



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