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Delco alternator pulleys

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Dave F.

02-16-2002 19:55:59




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Any one know where I can find Delco alternator pulleys for the 10si alternators, 2in. or smaller dia. by 1/2" belt 3/8" would work. where I live the altenator shops don,t want to be bortherd with such a small request, aparently no $$$ in it for them. Thanks Dave F.




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chris

02-17-2002 17:00:56




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 Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Dave F., 02-16-2002 19:55:59  
Did you try carquest, JD, CASE/IH, or AGCO any place that sells automotive parts usually has them or can order



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llamas

02-17-2002 06:14:30




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 Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Dave F., 02-16-2002 19:55:59  
All the advice you got here is true.

However, a pulley 2" or smaller is too small for a 3/8 or 1/2" belt - the strain on the belt itself from being wrapped around a pulley that small is too high, per RMA specs. The belt carcase will get hot and it will fail quickly. Do it if you like, but it's generally a better bet to set the alternator up to be externally-excited (as described) than to try and get it to run faster by a simple pulley change.

That's one reason that the auto makers went to poly-vee belts for these drives - in addition to their other advantages, being a lot thinner than v-belts, they allow the use of smaller pulleys and higher alternator speeds.

HTH

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Dave F.

02-17-2002 10:13:00




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 Re: Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to llamas, 02-17-2002 06:14:30  
llamas, My max Rpm is 1600 & idle is 500 Rpm or above, would this slow speed cause belt heatup & failure, Thank you for your reply Dave F.



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llamas

02-18-2002 03:25:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Dave F., 02-17-2002 10:13:00  
The problem is that a V-belt on a very small pulley will be excessively strained due to the (relatively) large difference in diameters that the belt is asked to conform to. The outside layer will be constantly in high tension, while the inside layers will be constantly in high compression. These excessive strains lead to heat build-up in the rubber, separation of the rubber carcase from the tensile members which actually transmit the power, and early failure of the belt.

Obviously, the slower the drive runs, the longer these effects will take to occur. You may find that you can get acceptable belt life running on undersize pulleys at these much slower speeds. However, you have to balance that against the pain & suffering that may be involved in replacing a failed belt - as, for example, on a crank pulley which runs a front-mounted hydraulic pump, where the pump and drive need to be stripped off just to replace a silly-ass V-belt.

I don't have the specs page in front of me, but I recall that a 10SI alternator needs to be running at about 1000 shaft rpm to self-excite correctly. If you want your tractor (I presume it's a tractor) to self-excite and charge at idle speeds of ~400 rpm, you'll need a drive at 2.5:1 or more. I don't know your exact application but I suspect that a pulley change from the stock 2.5" (or whatever it is) on a 10SI down to 2" or even below is not going to get you that ratio.

That's why I suggest, as others did, that you rig it to be externally-excited - that way, it will be doing some useful charging at any revolutions, even with the larger pulley. It's a lot easier to do that with some simple wiring and a dollars'-worth of diode than it is to be custom-crafting a smaller pulley.

If you do decide to use the smaller pulley, I suggest you also consider the use of a sectional drive belt such as those made by Fenner. This style of separable belt flexes at the hinge points between the belt sections and is less prone to the heat build-up issues I described at very small pulley diameters. It can also be replaced without disassembly in a situation where a V-belt would be "trapped" on the drive. Grainger sells these - they are not cheap compared to a generic V-belt but may help you address multiple issues at once.

HTH

llater,

llamas

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Richard

02-17-2002 05:46:37




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 Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Dave F., 02-16-2002 19:55:59  
If you want to wire the alternator to start charging without having to rev up the engine then I can help.

Terminal 2 -> Loop back to Bat. Post on back of alternator.

Terminal 1 -> Hook to switched 12 volts from ignition switch.

Bat. -> Hook to Battery Post Positive.

She will charge as soon as you turn on the switch and start turning it no matter what the RPM is (reasonable RPM that is).

If your tractor keeps running after you turn the key off, it's because the alternator is feeding your ignition system, simply install a small diode between the wire and terminal 1 with the stripe on the diode towards the alternator. It acts like a check valve.

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Dave F.

02-17-2002 10:06:18




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 Re: Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Richard, 02-17-2002 05:46:37  
Richard, My max. Rpm full throttle is 1600 Rpm. will this work say 500rpm at idle or little above. Thanks Dave



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Richard

02-17-2002 20:38:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Dave F., 02-17-2002 10:06:18  
Yes, once the engine is started, it will start charging immediatley with the wiring I provided.



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Dave F.

02-18-2002 05:53:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Richard, 02-17-2002 20:38:33  
Richard, I guess My Rpms are to low , It won't charge as soon as I start the engine, but if Ive rev. it up good it puts out a good 30 amps intill the battery recoves, Dave F.



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Richard

02-18-2002 14:15:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Dave F., 02-18-2002 05:53:06  
Oh, One more thing before you get frustrated.
Put a voltmeter on your tractor battery, check the voltage before you start the engine, now start the engine and leave it idling, check your voltage. Did it come up? It should have. You may not actually see the ammeter move over a lot at an idle, but it should charge, just not at a high rate.



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Richard

02-18-2002 14:09:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Dave F., 02-18-2002 05:53:06  
Wow, it should start charging as soon as the engine starts wired like that. Here is the info
I used when I wired mine... It also worked fine when I built 12volt generators for fishing lights.

Again, externally excited should start charging at any rpm. Here is a cut & Paste of it.

The main regulated power lug. The exciter field tap The "sense" line.

(Delco alternator is shown)

The main regulated power lug is typically wired to the ammeter. Connect to the plus side (+) which will be the terminal NOT connected to the positive post of the battery. If you don’t have an ammeter, connect the power lug to the starter, where the big wire from the battery connects. You can also connect to the plus side of the battery but it’s usually easier at the starter.


The exciter field tap is the wire from the modular plug on the Delco alternator (marked #1). This wire lets you shut down the alternator when the motor is turned off. It is usually attached to the ignition switch where the wire goes to the hot side of the coil. You can also make this connection to the hot side of the coil if your coil has an internal resistor, or to the hot side of the resistor for external resistor configurations.

NOTE: some alternators back-feed power through the alternator and out the exciter wire. If your tractor does not shut off after you turn the key off, this is probably the cause and you will have to either install a diode in that line or find another spot to attach it. Some diesel configurations connect the exciter wire through a diode to the oil-pressure sending unit.


The "sense" line is a very useful feature. It’s the #2 wire on the Delco modular connector. Let me start by explaining DC power line loss. Wire has resistance measured in Ohms. This resistance increases with wire length and is decreased with wire gauge (thickness). Line loss, in volts, is the product of the current, measured in amps, and line resistance. Since the current output of an alternator fluctuates with RPM, the voltage loss over the line will also fluctuate. To put it simply, as a wire becomes longer and skinnier, line loss (voltage loss) will become an increasing problem. The sense line samples the output of the alternator and feeds this back to the regulator to make adjustments. Since the sense line carries very little current, line resistance does not affect it significantly. When the sense line is attached to the output lug of the alternator as shown (notice the red loop of wire)


regulation is only controlled at the alternator output post. When the sense line is attached at the battery or starter, the regulator will compensate for line loss and regulation will be controlled for the destination. You may have seen work lights that brighten as the engine RPM increases. This can be controlled with proper use of the sense line. I attached my sense line to the output post of my alternator anyway. I figure the lines are short on a tractor and I may not have enough line resistance to notice any fluctuation in my lights. If I do find my lights brighten with RPM, I’ll rewire my sense line to either the positive battery post or the starter solenoid.


Sense lines are very useful when you have a dedicated alternator for charging batteries located some distance from the alternator. Running the sense line to the battery end of a charge line allows the internal regulator to compensate for line loss and offer a full charge to something like RV batteries at the rear of a trailer.

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Rod MI

02-16-2002 20:51:42




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 Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Dave F., 02-16-2002 19:55:59  
Dave the 2-1/2 inch pulley is the smallest available you can buy I had to make mine from A 2inch pulley form a electric motor (pulley available at tractor supply or hard ware store)I had to enlarge the hole and cut off the lug where the set screw sites I have posted this before on the Ford board and the N board I will try to find this for you the 2-1/2 will work you just have to rev your engine up to start charging if you have any more questions please Email me at rk40risk@lycos.com good luck Rod MI

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Rod MI

02-16-2002 21:01:36




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 Re: Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Rod MI, 02-16-2002 20:51:42  
Pulley link



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G Taylor

02-16-2002 20:35:23




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 Re: Delco alternator pulleys in reply to Dave F., 02-16-2002 19:55:59  
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