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Bill Oakes

02-16-2002 07:55:26




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I have a oxy/acetelyne setup and a small, very old, acetelyne torch. The small old torch scares me as the regulator is screwed up and the thing pops and flames back when I turn it off. Soldering copper pipes and small heating jobs don't seem to be well suited for the oxy torch. I would like to replace the small one but not sure the direction to go. Should I stick with acetelyne? Maybe propane? Map? Any suggestion on specific torch hardware? Thanks for the help, Bill

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cd

02-16-2002 15:47:39




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 Re: What torch? in reply to Bill Oakes, 02-16-2002 07:55:26  
go with Mapp, and your torch may just need rebuilt for how it is setup now (its cheap if your torch is worth it)



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cd

02-16-2002 15:47:38




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 Re: What torch? in reply to Bill Oakes, 02-16-2002 07:55:26  
go with Mapp, and your torch may just need rebuilt for how it is setup now (its cheap if your torch is worth it)



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Franz

02-16-2002 11:55:23




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 Re: What torch? in reply to Bill Oakes, 02-16-2002 07:55:26  
For soldering copper and small heating jobs, I'd go with Turbotorch. They are available in both "Bernzomatic" sizes and regular "Prestolite" hose type torches. There are even Turbotorch tips available for Prestolite handles.
Turbotorch works well on both Propane and Mapp, propane being far more economical if you don't require the additional heat Mapp will produce.
One of the nicest features of using either Propane or Mapp is weight of the cylinder. Acet cylinders are filled with a concrete like substance, and weigh like He11 even when empty. Propane is also more readily available. If you go with a hose type torch, you will also need a regulator. Turbotorch runs at around 35 to 40 psi.

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tenn terry t

02-16-2002 16:10:22




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 Re: Re: What torch? in reply to Franz, 02-16-2002 11:55:23  
i use propane instead of aect. its cheaper and more readly available I use the same regulator for propane that i use for acet. you only have to change your cuting tip for propane



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Rod (NH)

02-16-2002 09:08:14




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 Re: What torch? in reply to Bill Oakes, 02-16-2002 07:55:26  
Bill,

An air-acetylene setup...usually with a "B" size acetylene tank is great for soldering copper tubing and other general heating tasks not requiring the higher temperatures of oxy-acet. Plumbers always used to go with that arrangement and probably still do. The "B" size tank is about 6" in diameter and about 24" tall. Lasts quite a while. The attached link shows the equipment of one prominent manufacturer. I notice that it is somewhat pricey though...I have a set that is 30 yrs old so todays prices seem awfully high to me :). A small torch on the end of a hose is nice and light and convenient to get in tight places with. However, if your use is only once-in-a-while you might want to consider just an air-MAPP with hand-held cylinder like you see in Home Depot or something similar. I also seem to recall seeing a small hose type torch that you could attach to one of those small MAPP cylinders but I am not sure.

For reference info: The air-acet flame temp is about 4000 deg F while the oxy-acet flame temp is about 6000 deg F. I don't know what the air-MAPP flame temp is offhand but I suspect it is somewhat less that the air-acet.

Rod

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T_Bone

02-16-2002 18:25:25




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 Re: Re: What torch? in reply to Rod (NH), 02-16-2002 09:08:14  
Hi bill,

Maybe your pop is coming from shutting off the acetylene first with a combination of leaking mixing chamber O rings. That can make a very loud pop. The mixing valves could also need cleaned. A little cleaning will go along way to solve your problems.

To check to see if the regulators are working correct, turn the mixing valves off, back out the secondary reguluator pressure valve, turn high pressure valve on then turn on low pressure valve to about 10psi acetylene. Let sit for a minute or two too stablize pressure watching to see if the low pressure gauge climbs any more than 10psi. If it climbs to 15psi then your regulator is bad.

They same test for the oxygen gauge but set to read 40psi and if it raises too 60psi then the gauge is bad.

Be sure and check to see if gas is leaking past the mixing chamber valves while checking these pressures.

I do use a small Prest-o-Lite auto start LP/air hand tank for soldering a joint or two but for a larger number I drag out the small act/oxy cylinders.

T_Bone

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Tim, Ohio

02-17-2002 04:53:41




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 Re: Re: Re: What torch? in reply to T_Bone, 02-16-2002 18:25:25  
Bill,

The proper way to avoid any flash
back when turning your torch off is
to open the oxygen side of the torch
very quickly. This will blow out the
torch and clear it of a flash back (pop).
Once extinguished, close both valves.

Tim, Ohio



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