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paul

02-09-2002 13:34:53




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I'm thinking of putting up a simple 16' lean-to roof on an exsisting shed here on the farm. I want a roof over the side rake, disk, stalk chopper etc. But don't want to spend any real money on a building, these machines are only worth $100-500 a piece. Just hate to see the tires rot away in the sun.

I can find charts for roof spans & slopes & all that, and I've done my share of nail pounding to maintain the old buildings here.

But, what is the best way to attach a lean-to to an existing building wall? Dad built this machine shed from home-sawn lumber (elm I think), 2x10" studs every 2', the wall is about 12' high, 50' long, ribbed metal siding. I have some pretty good phone poles for the outside supports, and don't plan on covering the walls - leave it open & airy.

And, how do you figure what size nails to use when building something? I tend to overdo it I think... ;)

As I look at home-building jobs on the farm sales I go to, it looks like most anyhing goes, but would like a little advise and get it right.

--->Paul

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Dave in Mo

02-11-2002 12:00:47




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 Re: general wood building questions in reply to paul, 02-09-2002 13:34:53  
Paul, I just put up a 14 foot add-on last summer and used 2x6's lag screwed (3/8 dia)onto the existing wall AFTER I pulled off the sheet metal. STOP! If you remove the sheetmetal, you must cross brace the old wall to keep it from racking! The 2x6's are also heavy enough for the roof joist but I put them 16" on center.



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T_Bone

02-09-2002 21:44:23




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 Re: general wood building questions in reply to paul, 02-09-2002 13:34:53  
Hi Paul,

I wouldn't cut the SM ribs. I would cut pieces to fit inbetween the ribs then inside cut one to fit the studs and screw the two together. No weather leak problems this way. I would also use screws that they use for decks and use metal joist hangers as without side walls there's going to be more up lift on the roof for the wind to tear off.

I would also put concrete footers in for the outside columns and bolt with a u-channel fixed to the concrete footers(Pier type). Your roof won't have enough weight to keep it on the ground without anchors.

Also use roofing screws with neophrene washers so they don't tear threw the SM roof decking. Since each screw cost about $.25 to $.35 eh, I've also used regular SM screws with a 3/16" flat washers under the head to keep the roofing on. Use SM screws that have a hex head and about #10x 1-1/2" depending on what rib style of decking you go with. Put the screws on the high rib so water won't leak. 3" minmum lapp the roofing with 6" being the best.

If you have a heavy snow load then go with 2x6". In any event I wouldn't span more than 24" on 2x4"
with 1x4 stringers every 2ft to cross screw the roofing too.

26ga Sm decking. The 28ga and 30ga won't last very long although it's the cheapest. You really have to watch buying cheap metal roofing as the galvanzied with rust off in a short time. Drive around and see who's roof has no rust then ask which brand it is. If they don't, know ask if you can look as they have a mfg stamp on them then buy the same. The cheap stuff will rust in 3yrs or sooner.

In that 50ft span you might want to throw in a truss perlin made out of 2x4 and 1/2" plywood about 10" deep every 8ft or so. You might be able to free span most of the 12.5ft by using a header truss.

T_Bone

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John S-B

02-09-2002 21:18:44




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 Re: general wood building questions in reply to paul, 02-09-2002 13:34:53  
Paul I would use lag screws to attach the ledger board to the existing bldg. that way when a tornado hits it it will all be in one pile in the next county instead of spread all over. Seriously I would use lags instead of barn nails on weight bearing parts as opposed to things like roof stringers. I probably would'nt go more than 3' on center for the roof rafters. If you have enough poles I would run two rows parallel to the existing bldg., one about 7.5' out and one row at 15' out. Spacing then about 12' in the row should carry the weight fine. Run 2x6's across the top on both sides to carry the rafters, that way you could use 2x6 rafters as well and they should hold up under a decent snowfall. Make sure to use some angle braces on corners for stability. Just look at some of the old buildings that are still standing, I'm sure you'll get some good ideas!

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old bones

02-09-2002 20:14:47




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 Re: general wood building questions in reply to paul, 02-09-2002 13:34:53  
lean to additions are really pretty simple to build. the guy who calls himself "just an idiot" really ain't an idiot. he's obviously done this before, as have i. the comment that i'd add to his is this: you are going to need some materials in addition to the poles you already have, such as the rim joist (on the side of the existing barn), rafter seat boards (to set the rafter ends on at the bottom of the roof), 2x4 purlins (the 2x4s on edge he told you about), nails, steel roofing, screws for same, etc. you might consider going to your local lumberyard (not menard's or home depot type stores, because they usually don't have people with construction experience working the counter) and ask them for some advice. they should be able to tell you exactly what and how many of it you need. if you are getting materials from them, they will give you the info free (it won't work that way if you just go in for the nails, though). depending where you are, you could be dealing with codes (this will affect your insurance), different weather conditions requiring more or less snow loads, etc. the local guys know these things. another thing you could do is find a local contractor to help you out. slip him a few bucks for his time, and you'll both be happy. good luck.

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just an idiot

02-09-2002 13:58:21




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 Re: general wood building questions in reply to paul, 02-09-2002 13:34:53  
first thing to do is cut the metal out of where you are going to attach to existing shed. this will give you a flat surface to start building on (no ribbed metal under to try to deal with). You can probably us 2x6s for the span (depends on what kind of roof load, like snow), I would go to 2x8 myself.Generally a 2/12 pitch is fine. I would use some good size ring shank pole barn nails to attach ring joist to existing building,then use hangers for indivdule joists for roof. you might get away with 4' spacing. nail 2x4 to these ( nail on edge so its 4 tall and 2 wide, very important)I like to use 2' spacing on these. Screw steel down good, screws are cheaper than replacing steel after a big storm. I hope this is some help as I'm JUST AN IDIOT

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ditto

02-09-2002 19:10:35




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 Re: Re: general wood building questions in reply to just an idiot, 02-09-2002 13:58:21  
Lots of that going around. I am an "educated idiot".



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