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Rick

02-04-2002 16:14:26




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Can anyone tell me what the formula is for placing a set of axles under a utility trailer?




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BFO

02-10-2002 13:51:26




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 Re: axle placement in reply to Rick, 02-04-2002 16:14:26  
Not to disagree with any of the advice given, but check out the Dexter Axle site. Follow the links to the guide that walks you through the axle placement calculations. I've built hundreds of trailers, to subsidize my need to farm ;-), and did the math on each one, based on load, tow vehicle, etc. Sometimes it works out to the 2/3's rule, sometimes not. If you want a slick towing trailer make your tag-a-long tongues between 5' and 5 1/2' and your goosenecks in the 8' range.HTH

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Stephen

02-08-2002 11:26:23




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 Re: axle placement in reply to Rick, 02-04-2002 16:14:26  
The formula I use, is similar to T-Bones, which probably ends up being the same.

For a pull type trailer: Take the length of your frame only, NOT including the tongue. For every foot of length in the frame, make that equal 1/2". Move the center of your axle assembly 1/2" from the center of the frame back per foot of frame length. Example, a 16 foot trailer would have the axles centered at 8" from the center of the trailer frame.

For a goose neck trailer: For every foot of frame length on a goose neck frame, take and make that 3-3/4" per foot from center. Example, a 20 foot goose neck would have the center of the axle assembly, placed on the frame at 6.25 feet (6 feet, 3 inches), behind the center of the frame.

I've used this method, and know of a trailer manufacturer that uses the same method and a trade school as well.... (which is where I learned the formula) I've built a couple and the balance is great. No problems. My formula is only off by roughly 2.08% on the goose neck formula than from what T-Bone gave you as the 2/3 rule. (if my math is right.)

Stephen

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Additional from Stephen....

02-08-2002 11:29:54




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 Re: Re: axle placement in reply to Stephen, 02-08-2002 11:26:23  
The reason you don't use the length of the tongue in the formula I use, is because the tongue lengths for the most part are standardized. A pull type is most always 4 feet from the front of the frame to the ball. And a goose neck is most always 8 feet from the end of the frame to the ball.

Stephen



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Stephen

02-08-2002 16:58:17




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 Re: Re: Re: axle placement in reply to Additional from Stephen...., 02-08-2002 11:29:54  
Upon further calculations, I'm off with my math, and even further than that, I didn't realize T-Bone used the tongue in his formula. His formula for a goose neck would place the axles for a 20 footer with an 8 foot neck at approximately 18.648 feet back from the ball. Minus the 8 feet for the neck, it would place it at 10.648 feet back from the front of the bed, just barely behind center. Not that there isn't anything wrong with either of our methods, it just shows that there are different methods for axle placement out there. So much for the 2% I figured.

Stephen

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T_Bone

02-09-2002 09:36:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: axle placement in reply to Stephen, 02-08-2002 16:58:17  
Hi Stephen,

If you were to use 3ft for a bummper pull and 7ft for a goose/5'er then I think it would be closer to industry standards for tongue length. That would put the axles center line at 10ft-11-13/16" on a 20ft deck or 17ft-11-13/16" from the pin/ball. Measure a few commerical built trailers and see where were at.

T_Bone



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Stephen

02-10-2002 09:44:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 02-09-2002 09:36:04  
I don't need to go out and measure other trailers, I trust you. My point was only there is more than 1 way to do it, and I know of 2 other places that use the same formula as I do, that do not use your 2/3 rule, which might just be the industry standard, that are having just as good of luck using. Good discussion, and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Stephen



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Another Opinion

02-07-2002 18:32:10




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 Re: axle placement in reply to Rick, 02-04-2002 16:14:26  
You didn't mention the size of the trailer you are building. I have a commercially built one ton rated 5' by 8' utility trailer. The single axle is placed in the center of the bed front to back or maybe an inch or two behind center. I like this placement because there is minimal tongue weight when pushing the empty trailer around by hand or when hitching & unhitching. If I want to increase the tongue weight to improve stability when towing a load I simply move the load toward the front of the trailer.

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T_Bone

02-08-2002 01:41:32




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 Re: Re: axle placement in reply to Another Opinion, 02-07-2002 18:32:10  
Please go measure from the center of ball to the center of your axle and it will be 7ft 3-7/8" or 87-7/8" and post the results. How did I know? The 2/3 rule! It's never wrong!

T_Bone



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Another Opinion

02-09-2002 15:35:48




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 Re: Re: Re: axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 02-08-2002 01:41:32  
You're pretty close! I was so curious I went right out to the barn to take some measurements. From the center of the hitch ball to the center of the axle is 91 1/2 inches. The total length of the trailer from the center of the hitch ball to the back end of the frame is 137" (96" bed & 41" tongue). Using your 2/3 formula the axle should be at 91.33"! I'm not going to quibble about less than 3/16 of an inch, my measurements weren't that precise! You made a believer out of me!

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T_Bone

02-04-2002 18:29:05




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 Re: axle placement in reply to Rick, 02-04-2002 16:14:26  
Hi Rick

2/3 from the center of ball to center of axle or center line of between axles

T_Bone



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Jim in N M

02-04-2002 18:36:59




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 Re: Re: axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 02-04-2002 18:29:05  
T-Bone,is it 2/3 of the length of the over length of the trailer,and does it matter if It's a goose neck or tag trailer. And how is tongue weight figured on a goose neck. Jim



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T_Bone

02-04-2002 21:13:12




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 Re: Re: Re: axle placement in reply to Jim in N M , 02-04-2002 18:36:59  
Hi Jim,

Yes take your overall length, and the above rule works on any number of axles on a flated, upto a tri-axle on a beaver tail with the 2/3 being the center line of the middle axle.

example;
24ft trailer tandum axle, 15.98ft from the center of ball/pin to the center inbetween the two axles.
On a flatbed that will give the correct "empty" tongue weight with loaded tongue weight adjusted with the load weight moved forward or aft to make weight. If building a fixed load trailer, like an RV, then the inside load weight would be distributed over the number of total axles.
On a tri-axle then it would be 15.98ft to the center of the middle axle.

Example;
on a 32ft flatbed tandum it would be 21.31ft from the center of ball/pin to the center inbetween the two axles.
on a tri-axle it would be 21.31ft to the center of the middle axle.

The 2/3 rule comes from the Bible so it's tried and true "rule" and can be applied to any design.

A cross is placed at 2/3 of it's length and 1/3 of it's length is also it's width of the cross.

A round tank base diameter is 1/3 of the height of the tank. Square tanks will go oval when filled, it's liquid filled balance point!

A boat beam width is 1/3 of it's length.

A building square base is 1/3 minmium of the total building height.

etc;

T_Bone

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Jim in N M

02-05-2002 10:53:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: axle placement in reply to T_Bone, 02-04-2002 21:13:12  
T Bone,you you sure do impress me with your knowledge on all this stuff. You must be a man of many talents. I wish you would pass me your E-mail address,I'd like to converse with you some more. Jim in N M



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T_Bone

02-05-2002 16:58:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: axle placement in reply to Jim in N M , 02-05-2002 10:53:31  
Hi Jim,

Thank you! You must be easyly impressed. LMAO

Glad I could help someone.

T_Bone



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