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How To Get Water Out Of Engine?

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James

02-04-2002 15:23:36




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Hi Everyone:

I recently replaced the bad engine on my lawn tractor with another used engine.
The engine swap is complete now. But no test yet. When I drained the oil from the good engine, only about a quart of oil mixed with a good bit of water came out. The previous owner had left the gas tank cap open and rain water had got in through the tank and carb to the crank case.

Fortunately, I am not using the old gas tank and carb. So, no concern there. But before I put new oil in the engine, I would like to get all the water and old oil out of it. That is where I need help from you experienced folks out there. So, please give me some advice to get the engine going.

Thanks, James.

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James

02-14-2002 20:11:24




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 Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-04-2002 15:23:36  
To All Of You Who Helped:

As you may know, I begun this project a month and half ago as a learning experiment. During this period, many of you offered suggestions and helpful hints as all above postings here shows.

When I started, I did not know anything about small engine repair or installation. I did not know what a connecting rod was or what a valve look like. The engine was a dreadful monster that I did not dare going near it !

Well, thanks to you, today not only I know what a valve or cylinder head is, but I have taken the little monster apart and worked on it. I am no longer afraid of it, although I need a lot more to learn.

I am happy to report that the project is successfully completed!!! Today, I finished all the work on the 12HP engine and let it run several times. It starts right away and runs very smoothly.

I want to express my appreciation to all you nice people who provided me with ideas, suggestions, hints, information , and encouragement. Also, my thanks to the folks who provide us this great web site and forum.

- James -

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James

02-06-2002 15:23:55




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 Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-04-2002 15:23:36  
Hi Everyone! Here is another progress report on that 12HP engine: I mounted the engine in the frame with no problem. Today I went and got some Sea Foam additive, as someone recommended. Mixed some SF (Sea Foam) with some motor oil and put in the spark plug hole. Some SF and oil in the crank case through the oil filler, and some SF+Gas in the gas tank.

I was very anxious to see what happens. I gave the engine a few short cranks. It turned fine and spewed some liquid (SF+Oil+Gas?) out of the spark plug hole. I got so excited that I decided to put in the spark plug and see what happens. The engine almost started. Even some smoke came out. But I decided not to push my luck and took the spark plug out, and just cranked it a few more times. Plenty of compression.

But, each time I cranked, some mud, yes looked like liquid mud, came out of the exhaust hole (no muffler). So, I am going to let SF sit in the engine overnight and will drain the oil tomorrow and put new oil in, and see what happens.

A few questions here: What is that mud coming out of the exhaust hole? And what does it indicate? Since the engine turns ok and we have good compression, does it mean it is going to be ok?

I look forward to hearing your opinions and suggestions. Thanks, James

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Trucker

02-10-2002 14:56:59




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 Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-06-2002 15:23:55  
Thats probobly rust.



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James

02-04-2002 20:04:17




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 Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-04-2002 15:23:36  
I really appreciate these suggestions. I was really worried about that water in the engine, but you folks made me feel better.

Another question I have is this: Can I test fire the engine on the work-bench or the tractor without all the pulleys, belts, blades, etc. attached to it? I mean, would starting the engine without anything attached to the crank shaft cause any damage to it?



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buck

02-04-2002 20:25:40




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 Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-04-2002 20:04:17  

Yes you can I would recommend sitting it in the tractor frame and installing at least two mount bolts this will hold it as you crank and start it. good luck



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buck

02-04-2002 19:43:40




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 Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-04-2002 15:23:36  

if the water entered through the carb. then there is a good chance that water is in the cylinder and may not have been drained out so remove the spark plug for the first few cranks to insure that it is clear.



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david

02-04-2002 17:52:15




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 Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-04-2002 15:23:36  
if you drained the old oil water mix out of the drain plug and there isn't any left in the engine i wouldn't get to excited just fill it with oil and run the motor the heat will remove any moisture thats left. if your realy worried then let motor run 20or 30 min and drain the oil agin.



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Frank

02-04-2002 17:49:37




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 Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-04-2002 15:23:36  
I'd flush it out with diesel, then fill it with oil and run it til it warmed up and drain it again.
Hope this helps



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James

02-08-2002 15:07:22




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 Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to Frank, 02-04-2002 17:49:37  
Ok, here is more info and what I found out: I just took the air filter off of the Carburetor. It was soaking wet with fuel. Each time I crank, the fuel is sprayed all over inside the carburetor, inside air filter, and starts dripping under the carburetor. I guess, that is all the fuel that goes unburned into the cylender head and spark plug.

I dont know much about these things, but does not look normal. The carburetor definetly needs adjustment or maybe is defective.....hhhmmmm!!!

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old bones

02-08-2002 19:19:46




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 Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-08-2002 15:07:22  
if the gas cap was left off for any extended amount of time, or if there was any amount of dirt allowed into the tank, chances are that you've got dirt and/or rust particles inside the carb. there are a bunch of small places for this stuff to stick. go through the carb & clean it (don't just spray some carb cleaner in the top).



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James

02-08-2002 13:53:19




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 Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to Frank, 02-04-2002 17:49:37  
Well, folks, here is another progress report on the engine replacement and operation: Today, I drained the oil+Sea Foam mixture from the engine after two days of letting it sit there. The oil coming out was actually nice and clean. So, I guess it is a good sign!

I put in fresh oil, hoocked back the muffler, charged and connected the battery. Then I took the spark plug out and gave the engine a few quick cranks. A lot of clear fluid came out of the spark plug hole. It maybe just gas or some of that SF I put in couple of days ago.

I clean the spark plug and put it in. I cranked the engine several times again. The engine turned smoothly and a couple of times even the muffler back fired with smoke (good news or bad news?).

The engine never actually started. Just turns ok with a lot of compression. When I take the spark plug out, it is full of fluid and dripping wet. When I crank without the plug, a lot of fluid (gas?) comes out of the hole.

We have spark, we have fuel (maybe too much of it), and the engine turns ok, but not starting. Obviously, the wet spark plug is not helping. But the question is why does it keep being wet? Is it a carburetor problem? From what I have described here, does the engine seems ok? And what to do next?

You folks have been with me all along, and I appreciate it. Now, let's get the engine going.

Thanks, James.

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Careful there

02-09-2002 00:50:48




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 Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-08-2002 13:53:19  
You could have too much fluid in the combustion chamber and using the starter cause hydraulic lockup on the compression stroke. and possible damage the piston. Keep the plug out untill its empty and dryer



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James

02-10-2002 19:08:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to Careful there, 02-09-2002 00:50:48  
Today I took the cylinder head off and found out that the intake valves is stuck open and not moving. So, this could be the reason for lack of compression and all that fuel in the block. The piston moves freely, but not sure if the rings are ok.

So, now we must find a safe way the get the valve un-stuck and moving freely.



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Aussie

02-12-2002 10:43:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-10-2002 19:08:46  
What kind of engine is it?

You might be able to remove the crankcase breather to get to the bottom of the valves.

As for the fuel problem (if still pressent?), check the fuel/airmix screw. Wind it all the way in (finger tight only)(count how many turns this takes) then wind it out 1 and a half turns.

It's not much but I hope it helps!



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James

02-12-2002 16:56:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to Aussie, 02-12-2002 10:43:39  
Aussie,

Thanks for your suggestion. Every little hint helps. I have already taken the breather plate off and applied penetrating lubricant there and to the valve shaft. It has been soaking for a couple of days now.

It still was not moving. So, today tapping it with a hammer carefully, though firmly, it has started moving a little, but still very tight. Hopefully, it will start moving in and out easier tomorrow. If not, there is always the hammer!! (Yes, I know. But I am careful).

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James

02-10-2002 19:07:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to Careful there, 02-09-2002 00:50:48  
Today I took the cylinder head off and found out that the intake valves is stuck open and not moving. So, this could be the reason for lack of compression and all that fuel in the block. The piston moves freely, but not sure if the rings are ok.

So, now we must find a safe way the get the valve un-stuck and moving freely.



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James

02-10-2002 19:06:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to Careful there, 02-09-2002 00:50:48  
Today I took the cylinder head off and found out that the intake valves is stuck open and not moving. So, this could be the reason for lack of compression and all that fuel in the block. The piston moves freely, but not sure if the rings are ok.

So, now we must find a safe way the get the valve un-stuck and moving freely.



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James

02-09-2002 21:14:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to Careful there, 02-09-2002 00:50:48  

Today, I worked some more on the engine and after some testing, I found out that the spark is fine and strong after all. But the engine practically has no or little compression. I think that is what is keeping it from starting. Any opinion on the cause, and how to correct it?



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Trucker

02-10-2002 15:27:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to James, 02-09-2002 21:14:48  
Valve might be stuck open.



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Trucker

02-10-2002 15:46:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to Trucker, 02-10-2002 15:27:03  
I read some more of your posts,I dont think its a valve now.Take the plug out,roll the piston up to the top and just start it back down,light a match to the spark plug hole(be standing to the side when you do this,might even want to put on safety glasses)and if it fires its gas.You might try that 3 or 4 times,just be carefull,then put a fresh plug in and try it.If it keeps soaking the plug,I would guess its the carb somehow,but you might want to try it without the air cleaner on after you put the fresh plug in just to see if it helps.If it starts then and when you put the air cleaner on it wont,might need a new one if its one of those foam types.If you only have the 1 gas soaked plug try holding it over a gas burner of a cook stove and burn all the gas off of it before you put it back in check and see if its firing good,might want to clean it with a wire brush after you burn the gas off of it.

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James

02-14-2002 20:09:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How To Get Water Out Of Engine? in reply to Trucker, 02-10-2002 15:46:54  
To All Of You Who Helped:

As you may know, I begun this project a month and half ago as a learning experiment. During this period, many of you offered suggestions and helpful hints as all above postings here shows.

When I started, I did not know anything about small engine repair or installation. I did not know what a connecting rod was or what a valve look like. The engine was a dreadful monster that I did not dare going near it !

Well, thanks to you, today not only I know what a valve or cylinder head is, but I have taken the little monster apart and worked on it. I am no longer afraid of it, although I need a lot more to learn.

I am happy to report that the project is successfully completed!!! Today, I finished all the work on the 12HP engine and let it run several times. It starts right away and runs very smooth.

I want to express my appreciation to all you nice people who provided me with ideas, suggestions, hints, information , and encouragement. Also, my thanks to the folks who provide us this great web site and forum.

- James -

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