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Welding exhaust pipe with AC -DC Stick Welder

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Weldingfool

01-31-2002 22:56:10




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I was looking into purchasing either a Lincoln or Hobart AC-DC stick welder and would like to know if the DC side would work well for welding autombile exhaust pipe. OR would I be better off with a cheap 120 volt flux-core wire feed welder. Also any chance at all on the DC side it might weld autombile sheet metal on a very low setting??? Thank you in advance for your opinions!




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Gordon in IN

02-03-2002 06:58:20




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 Re: Welding exhaust pipe with AC -DC Stick Welder in reply to Weldingfool, 01-31-2002 22:56:10  
I was told years ago that you can weld tailpipes with a stick welder. First practice welding thin sheet metal scrap until you can weld thin steel license plates together really well; then you can weld tail pipes without much trouble. Other wise the 110 volt wire feed welders are the choice (that is why they sell so many of the things). They won't weld heavy, rusty or dirty steel very well for repair work on equipment. Good luck

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Jonathan

02-02-2002 19:16:51




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 Re: Welding exhaust pipe with AC -DC Stick Welder in reply to Weldingfool, 01-31-2002 22:56:10  
Well, I'd go with a 110v mig with a bottle of argon for exaust work. Small migs are good for light duty stuff like thin sheet metal. But it all depends on what you wish to do with your welder besides thin metals. You can't use a 110v mig for welding on your tractor or farm equipment, you won't get deep enough penetration for a good soild weld on thicker stuff. You can use an AC DC stick welder but it's quite hard and takes lots of practice before you learn not to burn through. If I was you and wished to do exaust work and installing weldmans (body repair panels) on cars every day I would buy a tig, that would give you your very best results on very thin metals.
Good Luck

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B.O.

02-01-2002 23:09:11




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 Re: Welding exhaust pipe with AC -DC Stick Welder in reply to Weldingfool, 01-31-2002 22:56:10  
I believe automobile sheetmetal after 1980 is all high strength, and shouldn't be welded with oxy/ace, but mig instead, so you don't soak a lot of heat into it and loose the temper. Hard to beat good old oxy/ace for exhaust work, because you can cut with it to. I once broke 2 teeth from grinding my jaw in frustration trying to weld sheet metal with stick.



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Trucker

02-01-2002 21:10:25




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 Re: Welding exhaust pipe with AC -DC Stick Welder in reply to Weldingfool, 01-31-2002 22:56:10  
Yes you can weld exhaust pipe with a stick here's how,you get a rod like 7018,7024,70 something lets say,about 1/4 inch diameter,practice first on something about the same thickness untill you get the heat right.What you do is strike an arc and move real fast.The thick rod takes a lot to melt and if you move at the right speed it makes a weld similar to a tig wire feed.Deep penetration,and very strong,but it all has to be right.The thing is you have to have the pipe off so you can move it or whatever it takes to keep the weld flowing very fast.I guess you know about the line between the flux and weld,what you are looking for is a long distance between the flux and weld like say 3/4 of an inch,and if you stay in one place even a split second too long it will burn a huge hole in it.The trick is to go just far enough to keep the metal from burning through and stop,let it cool,go again.If you have things right,and your pipe is good and strong metal,about 3 times of this and you are around a car exhaust pipe.The way I do it is have somebody turn the pipe after I strike the arc,or turn it myself,but usually if I have to turn it myself it takes 4 or 5 times to weld one pipe,because I usually burn through at least one time.Wire feed with shielding gas is probobly the easiest way,but on an exhaust pipe you can use a torch too.Stick welders can do anything a mig can do if you know how to do it.Practice and ask questions,the more you want to get a job done,the more you can learn.Allmost forgot,when using a big rod on thin metal you have to use a sharp angle to the metal,sort of like you lay the rod on it,you go the maximum distance you can without breaking the arc,so if you are right handed,you lay the rodto the right,turn the pipe to the left,use as light of a lens as you can stand,say a 9 or 10,and watch the metal,if it starts to look like its going to fall in,its too late.

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llamas

02-01-2002 10:49:32




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 Re: Welding exhaust pipe with AC -DC Stick Welder in reply to Weldingfool, 01-31-2002 22:56:10  
There's always going to be a guy who has the knack for welding something like exhaust pipe or body panels with a stick welder. And there's some pretty small sticks out there. But the odds of you being that guy are - well, let's say they're low.

By contrast - I am not the world's best welder, not by a long shot, no sirreebob. But I just finished building my wife a whole set of racks for her new greenhouse out of 3/4" EMT (that's electrical conduit - wall thickness, about 0.030"). Put the whole lot together with my 110 volt Lincoln wirefeeder, set up to push 0.023 wire with CO2 shielding gas. It was easy work, even for me. If you're going to be doing a lot of exhaust pipe or auto-body welding, I think you'd be much happier with a solution like that than with trying to teach yourself the knack of doing it with a stick.

HTH

llater,

llamas

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Steve U.S. Alloys

02-01-2002 05:36:44




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 Re: Welding exhaust pipe with AC -DC Stick Welder in reply to Weldingfool, 01-31-2002 22:56:10  
I have many exhaust shop customers who bought 110V or cordless wire welders from me to weld the aluminized exhaust tubes. The open arc wire works very well from the standpoint that you can remove the gas nozzle for better access in tight spots. It allows you to see the arc better as well. You can arc the contact tip or brass adaptor if not careful though.

For body work, the open arc wire is too hot really. A .023 hard wire with a CO2 shielding gas is best for that application.

Many of the bigger body shops now employ twin wire arc spray systems as well. A rust repair procedure can be carried out quickly and easily by basically spraying the hole shut with stainless steel. You can't join metal with it but you can fill dents and holes fast and w/o much heat. For example, the joint at the windshield post and the roof is arc sprayed with AA bronze at the factory.

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T_Bone

02-01-2002 00:16:13




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 Re: Welding exhaust pipe with AC -DC Stick Welder in reply to Weldingfool, 01-31-2002 22:56:10  
Hi Weldingfool,

We'll put it this way. You will be either a damn good welder when your done or still be cussing when you change welding methods trying to weld light gauge metal with stick.

Welding exhaust pipe is best accomplished with a Mig machine or gas welding with act/oxy. The small 115v Mig machines work well here. I really don't think you would be happy with flux-cored on light gauge welding. A good L-70 .020 wire with Co2 shielding gas or a helium mix shielding gas as the helium lets you weld a little heavier metal with the small Mig welders as it makes the arc hotter.

If your welding new light gauge SM then Mig as described above works well or gas welding. If repairing damage SM then gas welding would be a good choice as it will stress relieve the work harden area as you weld.

T_Bone

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