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Junkman

01-31-2002 16:53:14




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I just purchased an older Miller Thunderbolt XL AC/DC. I am not a welder by any means, but am going to use this machine as a learning tool. What I need to know is what size breaker do I need in my panel and what size wire do I need to run to the outlet about 30 feet away? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Junkman




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Joe Evans

01-31-2002 20:31:23




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 Re: Welder power in reply to Junkman, 01-31-2002 16:53:14  
Junkman: it looks like Steve is familiar with that welder. Also there should be a data plate on the machine that will tell you the required input amperage for the input voltage source you are connecting to. Bear in mind that these amperage figures are usually the maximum required, in other words, what the machine will draw when it's maxxed-out at the output side. We almost always never connect to a source that allows for the maximum input voltage. We connect to customers' power on a job site many times with multiple machines. We rarely experience a problem with not enough amperage available because we seldom, if ever, max the machines out when welding. But, if you can, get your machine connected to a source that permits max amperage.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

01-31-2002 16:59:36




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 Re: Welder power in reply to Junkman, 01-31-2002 16:53:14  
50 amp..6/3



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T_Bone

02-01-2002 00:39:07




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 Re: Re: Welder power in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 01-31-2002 16:59:36  
Hi steve,
Good to see your posting again. Does that mean you have a little more free time to give out some more of your words of wisdom as we missed you on a couple good discussions. You would of had to state your age tho so you wouldn't have been included in the "old geezer" group....LOL

Any new electrodes listed this year? Also how did your dual Mig process work out for you?

Note my new e-mail addy as I don't post it much. Too much spam!

T_Bone

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Steve U.S. Alloys

02-01-2002 05:50:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Welder power in reply to T_Bone, 02-01-2002 00:39:07  
Hi Ken,
Not really. I'm just doing it anyway. Thanks for the kind words sir.

You know, when the subject of age comes up, I tell people I'm 28. When I get that 'look', I say..... "I just look this way 'cause I've had a hard life".

No new alloys for welding that come to mind. Got into the rechargeable wire feeders though.

The dual wire process is actually a twin wire arc spray system. If all my orders come through, I'll have a six figure sales report for the first quarter on those things. (Got to start all over in the second quarter, though.) We're installing four of them at an extrusion plant that makes the tubing for your radiator. They make the tube from 1100 Al and then arc spray zinc on it to prevent corrosion. They extrude tubing at 270' per minute.

I'll add your new address to my address book.
Cordially,
Steve

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T_Bone

02-02-2002 07:57:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Welder power in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 02-01-2002 05:50:50  
Hey Steve,

I haven't tried any of the battery welders. If you've got time how about the low down on preformance, welding time, etc; as there were some inquires last month.

270ft/m is flat humming! Does your spray arc have to keep up or is it applied after assyembly? If your not exposing any secerets does your dual spary arc work like what is used to build up shafts? Any website info as I always like reading about new processes.

T_Bone

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Steve U.S. Alloys

02-02-2002 09:21:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welder power in reply to T_Bone, 02-02-2002 07:57:22  
Hi "T",
The battery welder impressed me. It's rated from 18 gauge to 1/4" on steel and I joined 3/8" with it. It has a nice Tweco gun on it too. I don't want to misrepresent it though. It's not going to replace a corded machine in the job shop. (At the present time.)

It's a 60 to 130 amp machine that will produce 72" of weld bead at full output. Duty cycle is 20%. People who buy them use them to get machinery up and running in remote locations, factory rooftops, farm equipment, off roading, mowing services, etc. I guess in some cases it's like a fire extinguisher, you kinda hope you never have to use it, but.....when you need it..... it's golden my friend. I have some small repair shops who use them for occassional exhaust work in the shop and then throw it behind the truck seat to get somebody going on service calls. Many times, 72" of weld is way more than enough.

To answer your question regarding the arc gun..... The arc spray system is exactly what the better shops use for repairing shafts. You can restore lost dimension to motor block decks, crankshafts, flywheels, brake rotors, foundry patterns, armatures, and so on. It also sprays hard coatings on augers and screws, chutes, pump parts, wear plates, etc..... and, will deposit corrosion resistant coatings on ships hulls, lock and dam gates, bridge beams, and so forth.

The arc gun is hard to misrepresent. Some of the things I could say about it are hard for most people to beleive at first.

For speed, the extrusion plants can't keep up with the arc gun. That thing sprays the tube as it comes right out of the die. It helps to spray the tube while it's still hot. You get a stronger bond that way. The arc unit is capable of depositing some metals at over 120# an hour at 400 amps. To spray that tubing at 270' per minute only takes 85 amps. You better have lots of compressed air too.

We put a fairly poor picture of the rechargeable welder up on our site for now. The arc gun has it's own page with good graphics. Steve

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