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Found The Victor 100...Maybe

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T_Bone

01-29-2002 23:42:39




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Ran into what I think is the Victor 100FC at a good price. 100FC took the place of the 100C by adding flashback arrestors and is Victors standard now.

You will need to confirm that the below kit contains the Victor 100FC mixing body. The kit maybe comes with the 100FC mixing body, CA1350 cutting head, 20ft 3/16" hose, acet and oxy gauge, goggles, striker, 3 brazing tips, some kind of case, 2yr warranty for $149.99 called the Victor FirePower Kit but no info on Victor website so thats why I said to ask.

Northern Tools- Item#1644110-F736

I've never seen a Victor torch kit this cheap so be sure of what your getting.

T_Bone

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T Briggs

02-01-2002 11:00:30




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 Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to T_Bone, 01-29-2002 23:42:39  
T_Bone,

At your suggestion I bought a Victor kit with the 100FC torch body. As you know, I'm a novice at torch welding, but as far as balance and heft, I don't think the flame arrestors change the handle much - maybe a little more weight at the "hose end".

I bought it in the "Performer" package at my local weld shop. Box says "Assembled in Mexico" I did not see any "Made In" labels. Performer package came with the CA1350 cutting head, and all the rest EXCEPT only one cutting tip and one welding/brazing tip (and buying those things ain't cheap) I paid $189 for the Performer Package.

As far as Northern Tools, I looked up that part No. 1644110, on the web site and and in their catalog. This part is a Thermodyne Corp. kit which contains the same complement of stuff as my Performer package (i.e., sans the extra welding tips.) Remove the "0" from the end of the part No. (i.e., 164411) you gave, and you are shown a Generico kit which includes 3 brazing tips and a heating tip. Both part Nos go for $149.

Its hard to know what the heck you get for what $$ now. I'm telling myself I paid the extra money for better regulators.

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T_Bone

02-02-2002 08:39:04




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 Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to T Briggs, 02-01-2002 11:00:30  
Hi TBriggs,

Glad to see your happy with the new torch. If you need any help learning just ask.

Makes you wonder who makes who or what :)

I have about 5 brazing tip sizes but use only one for my gas welding. Most mistakes that gas welders make is applying too much preheat to fast. Metal takes a certian amount of time for preheat before fusion occures thus new welders tend to use a larger preheat flame to rush into fusion thus finding they have to readjust there torch down in heat to keep from over heating the base metal and then the metal cools while there making the adjustment so they again turn the heat up. The above applies to using too large of a tip.

There are several different Victor regulators available and thats reflected in there kits as the kits use the same mixing body and cutting head. Is there one regulator better than another? Under certian applications but the typical gas welding and cutting won't be affected by larger regulators.

T_Bone

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cmbb

01-30-2002 15:36:30




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 Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to T_Bone, 01-29-2002 23:42:39  
I looked at a Firepower torch set at the NAPA store the other day and it was made in Brazil. The price was $200 or so.



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T_Bone

01-31-2002 08:46:23




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 Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to cmbb, 01-30-2002 15:36:30  
Hi cmbb,
It's getting harder to find USA made products in any brand name. What a shame. That explains why the price drop. What was the quality like?

When I ordered my new pick-up I requested that it be made at the Kentucky truck plant although it contains alot of foreign parts. The saleman gave me a funny look and I added, if it comes from the Mexico truck plant then you will need to order me another truck.

T_Bone

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cmbb

01-31-2002 14:04:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to T_Bone, 01-31-2002 08:46:23  
T bone; The company I work for had ordered it. I sent it back and another employee picked up a different unit.Dont know the brand but I wanted a USA made set.The Firepower set said it was made by Thermodyne a USA corporation. The unit looked cheap,as I looked it over it said made in Brazil.Probably would work ok but when I have a choice I buy USA made.



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T_Bone

01-31-2002 16:39:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to cmbb, 01-31-2002 14:04:56  
Hi cmbb,

Yep Victor is a brand name of Thermodyne Corp. as well as Tweeco the best Mig gun, welding lead twist connectors, electrode holder, around or it was that way. Thats a shame as Victor was a very great quality product and made in the USA. You just don't know who you can trust now days. The last new Victor I saw was about 10yrs ago and they were still made all solid brass with SS seats and valve stems. I didn't notice where it was made or it didn't say.

T_Bone

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VaTom

01-30-2002 10:16:02




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 Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to T_Bone, 01-29-2002 23:42:39  
I bought my Victor FirePower Kit from Harbor Freight several years ago for that price. Only torch I've used much, so I have no comparison. It's done everything I've asked, including cutting hubs for a pull-behind road grader out of 3/4" stock.



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T_Bone

01-30-2002 13:19:25




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 Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to VaTom, 01-30-2002 10:16:02  
Hey Tom,

Great, do you remember the torch model # that came with the kit?

Does your torch have the built-in arrestors? If so is the torch still balanced or did the arrestors make it end heavy?

From looking at prices in the past thats a great buy on a Victor torch.

T_Bone



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VaTom

01-30-2002 18:48:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to T_Bone, 01-30-2002 13:19:25  
Hi guy, I can look tomorrow to see if there's a model # on anything. I tend to save boxes, just in case. Arrestors? Surely you don't think I know much about these things. I don't think the torch is end heavy, but I have little experience. The reason I bought it was I thought it a great buy. A little ignorant, but not stupid. :) What I remembered was the name, had to look today to see that it was a Victor.

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T_Bone

01-31-2002 08:15:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to VaTom, 01-30-2002 18:48:31  
Hi Tom,

Under some circumstances the flame can suck into the hose. How, I don't know as in 35yrs I've never seen it done nor heard first hand. I have seen small flames at acetylene regulators because someone forgot to tighten the hose but no big deal as you just shut the gas off and tighten the hose.
Flame arrestors stop the flash back to the gauges.

From the Victor pictures, the flame arrestors are next too the mixing body gas valves and have brass plugs located just ahead of the two mixing valves where the hoses attach. Those two brass plugs contain the flame arrestors(check valves).

There is also hose flame arrestors that attach at the torch mixing body and then to the hose for mixing bodys that don't have flame arrestors.

T_Bone

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Mike

01-31-2002 10:24:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to T_Bone, 01-31-2002 08:15:52  
you want scary? Last month I was burning some contaminated metal; lots of popping and sparks flying. Finished and went to shut my torches down- flame coming out of accetylene tank where the T-handle shuts it off. Considered running but at my age couldn't get far enough fast enough! Started waving my hands and blowing on it - the flame went out. That should of been quite a bomb don't ya think????? ???

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T_Bone

01-31-2002 16:46:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to Mike, 01-31-2002 10:24:16  
Hi mike,

Yep it gets your attention thats for sure. Most people think that when a leak gets on fire it's run time when actually if they would just shutt the cylinder off the flame will go out. It's nothing more than having a flame on a cooking range top. I supprised that the gas supplier didn't catch the leak as there supposed to be checked after filling.

T_Bone



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VaTom

01-31-2002 09:15:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to T_Bone, 01-31-2002 08:15:52  
OK, mine says handle has "Built-in Reverse Flow Check Valves for Added Safety". It's a 250 Series, Model 250-510-FS, made in USA by Victor Equip., Denton Texas. There were apparently also a 150 and 350 series with different accessories, mostly different hose lengths, gloves or not, brazing rod or not, etc. And the good news is I haven't managed to blow myself up yet. Worst that's happened was cutting 3/8" steel wearing wallabies and managed to get a blob under the shoe tongue. Got MY attention. Bought some more leather after that.

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T_Bone

01-31-2002 16:52:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to VaTom, 01-31-2002 09:15:59  
Hi Tom,

Yep thats flame arrestors and I think the 250 is what they call the Jorneyman model. It's about twice as large of mixing chamber than the 100-FS.

Hey when it's winter time it keeps your foot warmed and just think you didn't have to pay extra for that add-on attachment. LOL

T_Bone



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ShepFL

01-30-2002 05:12:41




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 Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to T_Bone, 01-29-2002 23:42:39  
T-Bone;
Thanks for the lead, I will advise you of what I find out. My hope is that with this handy little welding rig I can finish my 2 ton hoist? LOL!!
Thanks again.



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T_Bone

01-31-2002 08:49:57




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 Re: Re: Found The Victor 100...Maybe in reply to ShepFL, 01-30-2002 05:12:41  
Hi Shep,
Gas weld from the top down I suppose too...LMAO

T_Bone



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