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Beating that dead horse...

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Jerry B

01-29-2002 19:07:21




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Ok guys....I have listened to your advice and am holding off for now on buying the gear head Clausing lathe. Talked with the machine shop instructor at the trade school and he told me not to be too anxious to buy that lathe either, unless the retailer would let me pull the cover and inspect the gears.

Now...another question/survey.

In order of personal preference rate the following machines:

South Bend
Logan
Sheldon
Clausing
Harrison
Rockwell
LeBlonde
Atlas/Craftsman (I don't know why I even put these on the list)
Smithy
Jet
others

Please give a reason why you think one is superior to another.

Thank you so much for helping thus far.

Jerry Benham

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wrenchman

02-02-2002 23:52:04




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 Re: Beating that dead horse... in reply to Jerry B, 01-29-2002 19:07:21  
i have run over the years most of the machines you listed.we currently have a jet where i work and we are VERY dissatisifed with it.pretty gear head machine but is junk & we bought it new too.south bend,atlas & craftsman are pretty much the same & you already know about them.southbend seems the better of those.clausing,i can take or leave em,preferably leave.if it tells you anything i have a sheldon at home.when i went looking for a lathe a sheldon is what i went looking for.good machines.the only machine i would even think about trading it for is a monarch...definately get a larger machine.around 13" or 14" swing is a good size & at least 4' between centers.get roller spindle bearings,you wont regret it...if you don't feel comfortable with a machine when checking it out by all means don't buy it...when you do get one make friends with it & don't abuse it...it & you will do better work that way...

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rhudson

01-30-2002 19:47:22




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 Re: Beating that dead horse... in reply to Jerry B, 01-29-2002 19:07:21  
clausing most are kinda low, i'm short, perfect match. many have indexable heads to cut dual and triple lead screws, if you have a need to do stuff like that. Sheldon, high horse power very solid laths.
Harrison, (made in england now) even their new laths are made like the old ones were(quality, very sweet)
South bend, (older) parts still around, good basic laths and the ones favored by navel shipyards. beware the newer "south bends" we have one that was made in north korea. we have had to make parts for it since the embargo.
Leblondes, sweet, but the shifting mechanism is a pain to work on.

small laths are hard to find at a good price (they go into doctors basements and garages for hobby purposes) and like others have said, the only time you will regret getting a full sized lath is when you go to pick it up....and again when you off load it. when you purchase, find the history and try to find the person that ran it.

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John

01-30-2002 18:48:40




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 Re: Beating that dead horse... in reply to Jerry B, 01-29-2002 19:07:21  
I`ve been in the Machinists trade for 40 years now. The companies that I have worked for always had at least half a dozen different brands of lathes. I put lots of time in on all of them. All the places I worked for had a few Clausing lathes. Not sure why, but it seems that more time was spent repairing them then useing them. The many other brands that I have used always did the work I asked of them. We auctioned off some lathes from the shop where I work a few weeks ago. The first lathe to be voted out the door was a Clausing. I have always had full personal use of the shops I have worked for. Even with that,I still have owned 5 different brand lathes at home over the years. One was an Atlas. Didn`t know whether to give it away or throw it away. I finaly got up enough nerve to put a price on it and sold it for $100.00. Some years ago, I bought an 11" Logan with no ware on it that I could find. Paid $175.00 for it and it even had a 5C collet attachment with it. It`s been a real jewel for many years now. My boss just brought another lathe into the shop last week. (23ft. long). Told him that now I could increase the size of my home projects. All th lathes a my job are gear head except for one South Bend which is a flat belt drive. I guess the gear heads are the best bet, but I enjoy hearing a flat belt slap as it runs around the head stock pulley. All machinery is pretty much alike. It`s just a matter of making friends with it.

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Val

01-30-2002 08:39:16




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 Re: Beating that dead horse... in reply to Jerry B, 01-29-2002 19:07:21  
I've been around this business since 1976. Have used many different lathes. Clausing/Colchester is my favorite. Not the handiest but definitly a well built ridgid machine. My 2 cents worth... You'll never regret having a large lathe but you will definitly regret having one too small. A large hole through the spindle is probably the biggest asset to a lathe in a home shop. I currently have a 14" x 40" Monarch. It's a good ridgid lathe but only has a 1 1/2" hole. Too small for many of the repair jobs I like to do. In my opinion, scratch the Atlas, South Bend, and any belt drive machines. The geared heads are much more ridgid.

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tools

01-30-2002 07:44:22




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 Re: Beating that dead horse... in reply to Jerry B, 01-29-2002 19:07:21  
Not too sure about brands, although here's my big feature list.

Must have V ways, not flat ones. V belt is better than flat belt. MUST have backgearing. Want switch gears vs. change gears.

By the way, I've seen some Atlas/Craftsman lathes I really wish I had bought. They oftentimes can be had for CHEAP with very little use or wear. Of course, now that I know what I do, havn't seen one in years! Passed up a good little change gear lathe that he only wanted $100 for. Could have saved that in bushings and small shafts I've needed made to repair/restore other machinery I have.

I know LeBlond is good, Clausing, Hardinge. I've seen some Rockwells that looked VERY nice. South Bends are common, usually worn out pretty bad. Start surfing around Metalwebnews.com, have some links to sites about restoring old lathes, some good insight there. Also, at lindsaybks.com, I think he sells a REALLY compreshensive book about restoring metal machinery. It's pretty pricy at about $100, but might save you that much in avoiding something unusable, or getting something fixable that most people think isn't.

It's on my list for when I get really serious about this. I've been moving around the country all of my adult life, but now that I'm out of the Navy, I'm not moving again! Getting my 16" jointer across country every 3 years was bad enough.

Tools

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david

01-30-2002 06:59:27




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 Re: Beating that dead horse... in reply to Jerry B, 01-29-2002 19:07:21  
Cincinnati, LeBlond, South Bend. Used all 3, good experience with all. Can't vouch for (or against) the others.



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This is about the lathe question earlier...Jerry B

01-30-2002 06:53:58




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 Re: Beating that dead horse... in reply to Jerry B, 01-29-2002 19:07:21  
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