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Small wire feed for art project

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David R

01-25-2002 11:41:41




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I found this forum doing a web search and it has been most useful. I'm currently brazing 1/8 rod to 18 rod using mapp gas. It is too slow. I am thinking about using a $300 wire feed machine from the local HW store instead. I will probably have to use larger rod (3/16) or it will melt through. Does anyone have recommendations about these small 110V welders for non-trailer-hitch types of applications? Does anyone know if there is a way to braze with a wire feed or stick welder? I'm really looking for a way to speed up the process with any tools I can find.

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Dave

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Trucker

02-01-2002 22:50:52




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 Re: Small wire feed for art project in reply to David R, 01-25-2002 11:41:41  
Unless they have made a 115 volt Mig that works real good in the last few years I think you need a 220 volt one.An art project may not need too much strength,but a 115 amp mig is slow if you try and weld a lot it gets hot,its just something to get your money in my book.You might find a buy on a good mig,but a good mig is a 220 one to me.A good mig is a HTP,Miller,Hobart,Lincoln.I have an HTP that I like because it has copper coils in the transformer.I feel like I stole it for 750 bucks because it was a demonstrator.It will weld what you want to do,and if you want to cut a car in two and weld it back together it will do that too,with a smooth arc,plus it has a setting for stitch weld.Its a lot like the welders muffler shops use,but you can weld 3/16ths plate in one pass if you want.Call them up its 1800usaweld.It costs some bucks,but I think you would really like it,and when you are done with the art you can use it to make something.I built a garage with mine,made the whole frame out of square tubing.I also built an engine stand and it took less than an hour,I cut the metal with a chop saw and welded up one afternoon,and had my engine on the stand and pistons,crank,and cam in it before dark.

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MarkB

01-25-2002 18:01:54




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 Re: Small wire feed for art project in reply to David R, 01-25-2002 11:41:41  
Go visit your local welding supply house and pick up a Smith Equipment "Cavalier" gas welding set. Between the welding outfit and gas cylinders you'll have about $500 invested, well worth it.

If you can't find one of these rigs locally, Aircraft Spruce and Specialty also carries them. http://www.aircraftspruce.com

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T_Bone

01-25-2002 13:08:22




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 Re: Small wire feed for art project in reply to David R, 01-25-2002 11:41:41  
Hi David,

As John pointed out a wire feeder won't work for your application nor braze and you need to switch to acetylene/oxygen.
act/oxy = 5400F
mapp/oxy= 4800f

Read down a few posts and read what I posted on gas welding for some tips.

The size of rod your welding leaves you with three procedures for welding:
oxy/act
Tig(GTAW)that will be slower than brazing(gas welding)
Spot welder...They do make a 115 spot welder but you won't be happy with the results and the larger spot welders are very costly.

You also didn't mention what type of metal your rod is that maybe I could help with another method that would be faster.

T_Bone

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David R

01-25-2002 13:17:10




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 Re: Re: Small wire feed for art project in reply to T_Bone, 01-25-2002 13:08:22  
The rod is steel. I usually use welding rod because it is really cheap.

I have been using and oxy/act torch for about 15 years now and I can make a pretty good weld. My only concern for this project is the time it takes to make any one connection because I have hundreds to make.

The mapp gas is great because I don't need a regulator and I have a button start nozzle (all HW store stuff).

I've seen a picture of a guy makijng a similar project (rolling ball sculpture) and he was arc welding 3/16 stainless rod. The equipment looked like a wire feed machine.

Thanks,

Dave

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T_Bone

01-25-2002 13:45:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Small wire feed for art project in reply to David R, 01-25-2002 13:17:10  
Hi David,

Your confusing me...thats very easy today :)

Are you using a air/mapp torch? If so thats down in the 3400F heat range. Very slow for what your doing.

With a wire machine (Mig) your going to get cold lapp joints with the rod being 1/8" or even 3/16" and you would need about a 150amp Mig welder to help control the cold lapp. That would mean a 240v Mig machine.
Cold lapp is where the filler wire doesn't get hot enough to fuse to the existing metal parts. It just lays on top and not a very strong joint. Since your doing artwork, a 115v Mig may work for you as it doesn't have to be a strong weld, does it? I would try it before I buy one tho as I don't think you'll like the results and they cost about $700 with gas valve, flow meter, machine and gas bottle for a 115v machine.

I personally would look at using act/oxy with a 5% silver solder filler as it would the fastest. Were not talking about air/acetylene here. I'm talking about using acetylene gas and pure oxygen gas and with two stage regulators. 5% silver solder is about $15lb and a pound goes along way.
A new Victor torch is $150 with torch, 20ft hose and two stage regulators from Northern Tools.

T_Bone

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John Partridge

01-25-2002 12:29:34




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 Re: Small wire feed for art project in reply to David R, 01-25-2002 11:41:41  
A wire feed machine of any kind is still a welder and won't braze. If you want to braze and MAPP gas is too slow, an oxy/acetyene rig should speed things up. Other folk will have to help you with selecting the right tip size for your job and some cautions on heat control....

JohnP



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