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Joe

01-25-2002 11:39:15




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As far as the intended use goes what is the difference between acid core and rosin core solder and plumbers solder? I assume plumbers solder is lead free and is used to join drinking water piping. What solder would be best for making some 00 battery cables from some multistrand welding leads?




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RandyB

01-25-2002 19:00:00




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 Re: Soldering in reply to Joe, 01-25-2002 11:39:15  
I prefer non solder connections for battery cables. I use pressure fit or crimp type connections. Under heavy cranking situations, the solder will melt from the heat generated in the solder joint which is a less conductive material than the copper wire. If I was going to solder a connection, I would use rosin core solder or rosin paste. I still have had connections melt.



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T_Bone

01-25-2002 13:18:47




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 Re: Soldering in reply to Joe, 01-25-2002 11:39:15  
Hi Joe,

rosin core solder is used for electronics.
acid core is used for non electrical applications.
plumbers solder is 50/50 solder, 50%lead 50%tin and is used with a acid flux.
95/5 is used for drinking water joints, 95%tin 5%antimony also used with a water base acid flux.

I use 50/50 solder with the acid flux for battery cables and a propane torch then I rinse the cable with baking soda to remove the acid. Works very well. I also coat the cables with permatex battery sealer and that stops the corrision.

T_Bone

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JohnnyK from Mark Kw's tooltalk

01-25-2002 17:47:50




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 Re: Re: Soldering in reply to T_Bone, 01-25-2002 13:18:47  
T-Bone,

How do you get the acid flux out of the insulated wire that you just soldered the terminal to? I have had to fix many repairs done with the method you suggest.

For electrical terminals and cables, you would be much better off using a high quality rosin core solder for electrical and electronic applications. The rosin flux is nowhere near as caustic as the acid flux types.



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T_Bone

01-25-2002 19:35:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Soldering in reply to JohnnyK from Mark Kw's tooltalk, 01-25-2002 17:47:50  
Hi Johnny,

Using the baking soda neutralizes the acid and I've never had a problem. If one didn't use the baking soda then yes I agree with you.

T_Bone



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JohnnyK from Mark Kw's tooltalk

01-27-2002 11:51:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Soldering in reply to T_Bone, 01-25-2002 19:35:05  
How do you get the baking soda through the insulation, and onto the wire on the other side of the solder joint? You have left a lot of caustic acid residue in there, and they will rot out if you do it your way. If you use rosin based flux, then you will not have the problem. period.



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T_Bone

01-27-2002 16:17:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Soldering in reply to JohnnyK from Mark Kw's tooltalk, 01-27-2002 11:51:34  
Hi Johnny,
The same way the acid gets in. I've been doing it this way for 35yrs and haven't had a problem. There's nothing wrong with using rosin core other than on larger cable connectors I found they solder better with my method. The small connectors I do use rosin core solder on.

I was also watching a home TV show couple weeks ago and learned that using the old acid base flux causes a pool of solder and acid to sit on the inside of the joint and when the water runs over the joint, the joint weakens and will eat thru the CU pipe but using a water base acid will wash away and won't cause joint problems. They showed a cut away and convienced me to change my ways. LOL

T_Bone

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