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Marc

01-25-2002 10:54:39




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Which is the better AC/DC Stick welder??

Miller XL Thunderbolt or
Lincoln AC/DC Machine




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Trucker

02-01-2002 23:20:46




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 Re: Stick Welder in reply to Marc, 01-25-2002 10:54:39  
Hmm,interesting comments by the others.To me a Lincoln is a cheap welder.The best are the ones that have an infinitely variable adjustment on the arc.Most important is the copper for smoothness,so if only old ones have that,thats what I would search for.The 6013 I dont know much about,I've used 6011 a lot.To me,the few times I used a 6013 the weld looked good but was not very strong,With a buzz box I would use 7028.You can use whatever you like,but the strength if you need that comes from the number of the rod,so from 60 to 70 is 10,000 more pounds of tensile strength.If you are taking the time to weld something why not use as much strength as you can get at the time?When I welded beams for skyscrapers we only used 6011 to tack with because its good for that,and you can cut with it,say you need a piece cut quickly,6011 will do it without haveing to find a torch or hoses and gauges and all that.Might be handy to know how to do that if you are say 80 feet in the air with a stinger and no torch,all you need is some 6011.You can count on 6011 to penetrate,even through rust.Its not the best way to weld something,but if its really rusty run a pass on it with 6011,it will burn through the rust.Spatter?Infinite adjustment helps on that.You allways want just enough heat to penetrate good and just enough speed to not undercut.If you know what I am talking about,you likely would be pleased with an old copper wound buzz box.If you only weld a little once in a while,well you still would want a good welder.You know its just the feeling of accomplishment that makes it worthwhile.If you dont really care and want to stick it together somehow,then it doesnt make a lot of difference.I think you like to weld and want to do a good job,so I would really try and find an old welder if it was me.If you cant,find one like the higher priced Lincolns if you can get it cheap,that you can adjust down to the tiddlingth.When you weld on flat metal and the slag peels itself off,you are done,you wont have it any other way.

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T_Bone

01-25-2002 11:17:59




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 Re: Stick Welder in reply to Marc, 01-25-2002 10:54:39  
Hi Marc,

I would look to see which one uses copper windings and would choose that one as the arc will be more stable over alumnium windings. You can also ask to demo each welding machine before you buy.

Hard to beat a Miller product in the smaller machines.

T_Bone



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TP from Central PA

01-25-2002 18:52:28




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 Re: Re: Stick Welder in reply to T_Bone, 01-25-2002 11:17:59  
On the Lincoln AC/DC machines I have used, the amps are not variable, but fixed. I know that the more expensive machines Lincoln offers and has built are variable, but haven't seen an affordable machine from Lincoln with this feature. I really like the variable amps on my Miller Thunderbolt, Some welds I make need that extra "touch."



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Marc

01-25-2002 12:21:36




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 Re: Re: Stick Welder in reply to T_Bone, 01-25-2002 11:17:59  
T_Bone,

Thanks for the response. Found out that almost all machines today have Aluminum windings. Even the bigger machines have Alum. secondary windings.
I'm just looking to upgrade to DC from Lincoln AC Buzzbox. Tired of all the splatter. Got a price of $375.00 for the Miller.
Marc



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T_Bone

01-25-2002 12:44:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Stick Welder in reply to Marc, 01-25-2002 12:21:36  
Hi Marc,
Yes the cheaper machines will have alumnium windings. I personally would save my money and stay with the buzzer until I could afford a quality DC machine.

You made a interesting comment:
"Tired of all the splatter"
sounds as tho you may be using to long of an arc length. Try turning up the heat(amps) and holding a very tight arc length and slightly increase your travel speed. I'll assume your using 6013 on the buzz box? If not buy 5lbs and give it a try along with the shorter arc length and I think you'll keep the AC buzzer a tad longer.

T_Bone

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