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Jubal Lee

11-02-2005 06:59:41




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My Jubilee had been changed to a 12 volt alternator but the old wiring was really ratty. I replaced all the wiring. Every diagram that I found shows the "1" wire an the alternator hooked to the coil side of the Ignition switch. When I hook it this way, the tractor keeps running when I turn off the switch.(When I got it, this wire wasn"t hooked up.) Any help will be appreciated!!!




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John T

11-02-2005 14:01:50




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 Re: Rewiring problem in reply to Jubal Lee, 11-02-2005 06:59:41  
Jubal, In addition to Olds good advice, heres my take on your question:

If it runs on, the very FIRST THING I RECOMMEND (if youre not using an idiot light in the circuit) is to install a safety 10 ohm resistor in the excitation circuit to the Alternators lil No. 1 side Excitation terminal. That serves as current limiting protection to protect the alternators internal diodes.

In the event youre using an idiot light in that circuit, it can serve as the desired current limiting protection, but if its resistance just happens to be a lot less then 10 ohms, I would still add some resistance so theres a total of at least 10 ohms (idiot light plus resistance) in the excitation circuit.

Nowwwww wwww its often the case once you add the desired 10 ohm resistor or an idiot light the run on stops. HOWEVER if she still runs on, then add a diode as Old recommended. Its acts as a one way current flow check valve so the alternator dont backfeed the ignition n she shuts off properly. IT MUST BE WIRED IN CORRECT POLARITY + Anode end to coil/switch, - Cathode end to Alternator or it wont work.

The above is for the GM 10SI 3 wire Negative Ground alternators.

Sure, Ive seen plenty with no currrent limiting protective resistance n they worked fine,,,,, ,,Ive seen some that run on while others dont,,,,, ,,,,but Ive seen some fried internal electronics on the Alternators which may well have beec caused by overcurrent or spikes or surges etc.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff in Indiana, retired electrical engineer

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old

11-02-2005 07:46:47




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 Re: Rewiring problem in reply to Jubal Lee, 11-02-2005 06:59:41  
Yep common problem, caused by alternator field windings feed back. To fix that you can do one of 2 things. Put a light bulb in the wire or put a doide in the wire either one works. My self I prefer the diode.



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Jubal Lee

11-02-2005 21:17:59




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 Re: Rewiring problem in reply to old, 11-02-2005 07:46:47  
Thanks to both of you. I installed a 1 amp, 50 volt diode and the run-on stopped. I remembered enough from an electronics course that I had a lot of years ago to wire the diode with the right polarity. Do I still need the resistor or is the diode sufficient?



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John T

11-03-2005 09:25:35




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 Re: Rewiring problem in reply to Jubal Lee, 11-02-2005 21:17:59  
Jubal, like I said Ive seen em do fine with or without the resistor, but also seen em go bad cuz of internal diode damage (possibly the result of overcurent or a voltage spike??) which is why I HIGHLY RECOMMEND the addition of the cheap n simple protective current limiting 10 ohm resistor. It only cost pennies, so if youre a belever in "an ounce of prevention may be worth a pound of cure" add one. Otherwise take your chances and you may well likely be fine. Your Tractor your choice, but I wouldnt be without one based on what Ive read and my engineering and practical experience.

Best wishes n God bless yall

John T

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old

11-02-2005 21:31:14




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 Re: Rewiring problem in reply to Jubal Lee, 11-02-2005 21:17:59  
All my tractors that are set up that way have only the diode, and I've never had any problems



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