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Need Help Resurrecting IH Gauges

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SELou

01-07-2004 09:09:42




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I'm spending the winter seeing how much money I can spend bringing an IH-484 back to full function. My next project is to get my dead temperature and fuel gauges to work. I'm an engineer so I'm always trying to make these repairs more complicated than they really are.

What simple tests can I perform to determine if I have a gauge, electrical or sending unit problem. All of the idiot lights work and I've already checked the wiring and connectors.

Thanks for your advise!

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SELou

01-09-2004 06:43:02




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 Re: Need Help Resurrecting IH Gauges in reply to SELou, 01-07-2004 09:09:42  
Thanks for you help guys! You gave me exactly what I need to exorcise the demons from my gauges. This will be a cold weekend in North Georgia, so I will have plenty of time to run the tests and fix the real problems.

I'll be back soon with my PTO problem.



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Dipstick

01-09-2004 00:18:09




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 Re: Need Help Resurrecting IH Gauges in reply to SELou, 01-07-2004 09:09:42  
Don't know IH, but generally with a gauge and sender, ground the wire at the sender, and you should peg the needle on the gauge. Then the gauge is good and the sender is bad. If not, then the gauge is bad. You have idiot lites and gauges? Why? Or are they on different systems?



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tools

01-08-2004 19:04:58




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 Re: Need Help Resurrecting IH Gauges in reply to SELou, 01-07-2004 09:09:42  
Oh, sorry.

Well, considering every mechanical fuel sending unit I've seen, which is just a wirewound resistor with a sweeper arm, just brush leads from a 1.5V battery across the terminals (of the gage), see if the needle swings a bit. Shouldn't hurt it no matter how it's wired, especially if you, like mentioned, just quickly touch them. If NO movement, try 3V, then 4.5, then 6 blah blah. Should DEFINITELY have something by then. If not, it's burnt. Put a Ohmmeter across the sender's leads and move the float around. Should move the needle on the ohm meter set for the lowest scale you've got. If it seems shorted, keep uping the scale on the meter and check again. Eventually (well I've always seen them move on the low scale, but burnt a clock radio really good by thinking a 1 MEG ohm resistor was open on the low scale...) the needle should move with the float movement.

No clue on the temp guage. They're wierder, somehow dampen things out and move very slowly, making the old safe "quick" test ineffective. However, you could see if you have any voltage at the + lead (to ground, avoiding the sending unit) when the key is on. If there isn't any voltage, something is wrong in the wiring I'd think.

Also, you could take the sending unit out, measure the resistance. Put it in a pot of boiling water for 10 minutes, say, and pull it out and check the resistance again. These don't check the guage, but if these two checks check good, well...

If you find something more definitive, let us know!

Tools

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tools

01-08-2004 05:38:35




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 Re: Need Help Resurrecting IH Gauges in reply to SELou, 01-07-2004 09:09:42  
Don't know the tests right off the top of my head, BUT, if you want them restored as well try calling Moma, in Albuquerqe (spelling?) NM. While everyone on the planet wanted about$600 to fix my old Triumph (car) tach and speedo (to function, nothing cosmetic), they did it for about $150 completely cosmetically restored as well! REALLY sharp folks.

They'll ask you to send the sending unit with the heat guage, and will calibrate the two units to each other. Turns out, my car WASN'T actually overheated the last 10 years! They even wanted the speedo and tach cable. Turns out the most common reason for failure is an improperly fitting cable! NO ONE ELSE ever mentioned this.

Just call telephone info for ABQ and ask for a listing for Moma company if you're interested. They don't advertise and I got the referral from a HUGE import sports car parts distributor.

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Slowpoke

01-15-2004 12:59:17




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 Re: Re: Need Help Resurrecting IH Gauges in reply to tools, 01-08-2004 05:38:35  
Moma Co.(?) is not listed in the yellow pages for Albuquerque. Do you have more information for the name, location, phone #?



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SELou

01-08-2004 14:04:56




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 Re: Re: Need Help Resurrecting IH Gauges in reply to tools, 01-08-2004 05:38:35  
Tools,
Thanks for the lead in Albuquerque, but the gauges I need are readily available for about $30 each so they are not worth sending off for a rebuild.

What I am really looking for is a simple test that will tell me whether I have a dead gauge or a dead sending unit. I'm concerned about frying the units or replacing a part that isn't busted.



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Butch

01-08-2004 16:58:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Need Help Resurrecting IH Gauges in reply to SELou, 01-08-2004 14:04:56  
Although I am not familiar with the I-H system most generaly power is feed to one post on the gauge and the sending unit varies the ground to make the gauge read. If your sending units only have one wire going to them I'd bet this is the case with your system and you can check both the wiring and gauge for operation by intermitantly grounding the sending unit terminal (be sure to have the key on). Occasionaly a system with idiot lights and electric gauges will use a common sending unit with two terminals, in that case grounding one of them should light the light and the other should make the gauge read. Have somebody watch the gauge while you scratch a wire from ground across the sending unit terminal. Some gauges can be damaged if you clip a wire on the sender and go look for yourself. If the gauge reads when this is done the sending units are defective. If they still read nothing a service manual is probably in order so you can figure out how they are wired and check accordingly.

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