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pete

12-17-2003 21:53:01




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Looking to buy a sandblaster What do i look for in specs. Do I need to spend a lot of money on a high test machine or can I get by with something more reasonable?




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tools

12-18-2003 09:19:32




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 Re: sandblaster in reply to pete, 12-17-2003 21:53:01  
While I agree that they're very slow, a cabinet type siphon feed is still a very handy item to have. I built a cabinet and put the $35 Campbell Housefield portable siphon feed sandblaster parts in it.

The trick to getting a siphon feed to work is the siphon. If you're interested, I'll explain it to you. Another neat trick about my homemade unit is that I never attached the siphon to anything, I was in a hurry. As it turns out, when it clogs (which happens a fair amount, I just pull it out of the sand, put my hand over the end of the nozzle and squeeze the trigger. The clog shoots out, I stick it back in the sand and keep going. Takes 5 seconds. I've used a lot of commercial siphon feed sand blast cabinets (good name ones) in a number of military auto hobby shops, didn't like any of them nearly as much as mine.

Don't know about using a pressure feed system in a cabinet, but would be interested to hear from someone who has.

Tools

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bill b va

12-19-2003 14:45:43




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 Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to tools, 12-18-2003 09:19:32  

hey tools you ever learn how to weld



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tools

12-19-2003 21:04:58




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 Re: Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to bill b va, 12-19-2003 14:45:43  
Hey Bill,

Funny you should ask, I FINALLY have two bottles at the filler place being filled. The oxy bottle was no prob to get hydroed and is filled, the acet bottle had to get shipped out of town, expecting it (if it passes, it's OLD) back mid Jan.

Also have the torch and gages all spiffed up and ready to go.

Have my friends old DC arc welder (the Bug!) down there, and he brought over a TIG torch and argon bottle (which I had to hydro and fill), so I'm going on a welding tour de force very soon.

Need to build a little lean to and dedicate it to welding as I don't really want to keep these big old bottles indoors, the gas welder would be much easier to use there also. My shop just has too much wood and chemical flammables.

Keep an eye out, should be here asking welding questions before long. Have TONS of projects to gain practice with.

Tools, Chickamauga, GA

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bill b va

12-20-2003 14:09:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to tools, 12-19-2003 21:04:58  

the bug is what was wondering if you had learned to use . did you get all the parts you needed? think i will try and sell mine as i have 230 V 60 A to my shop now and the buzz box is a lot handier ....bill the other bug owner



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tools

12-20-2003 14:52:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to bill b va, 12-20-2003 14:09:29  
I remembered we had talked about the bug, had forgotten you had one.

I can see where a buzz box is handier, but the TIG capabilities of the DC welder is what I'm looking forward to.

Tried playing with it a couple times, pretty sad. Am hoping some experience with the oxy/acet rig will help. Havn't had a chance to play with it with the TIG torch attached. Was thinking that learning to get the arc started with a TIG torch will be easier than an electrode. Sort of takes one variable out, then I won't have to learn the arc thing and feeding at the same time.

Here's a wierd one, cranked it up a while back to use it as a generator, ate up my angle grinder. Will have to check into that, something isn't regulating or something.

Availability of parts turned out to not really be a problem. Got them locally, too.

Tools

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tools

12-20-2003 14:50:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to bill b va, 12-20-2003 14:09:29  
I remembered we had talked about the bug, had forgotten you had one.

I can see where a buzz box is handier, but the TIG capabilities of the DC welder is what I'm looking forward to.

Tried playing with it a couple times, pretty sad. Am hoping some experience with the oxy/acet rig will help. Havn't had a chance to play with it with the TIG torch attached. Was thinking that learning to get the arc started with a TIG torch will be easier than an electrode. Sort of takes one variable out, then I won't have to learn the arc thing and feeding at the same time.

Here's a wierd one, cranked it up a while back to use it as a generator, ate up my angle grinder. Will have to check into that, something isn't regulating or something.

Availability of parts turned out to not really be a problem. Got them locally, too.

Tools

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Butch

12-18-2003 12:42:59




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 Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to tools, 12-18-2003 09:19:32  
I have two blast cabnets with the siphon systems and Sandy Jet guns and would be very interested in hearing about your performance enhancements.



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tools

12-18-2003 16:43:23




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 Re: Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to Butch, 12-18-2003 12:42:59  
Well, it isn't an enhancement so much as a copy of something we saw that worked.

The pickup is crucial. I have never seen the pickup in commercial siphon cabinets, but they suck. The pickup in my little portable siphon is a tube, with a hole drilled just above where the sand level is, which confused me.

Turns out, sucking sand up a tube is very hard, and gets harder the further down in the sand it is. Just like it's easy to breathe through a snorkel, until you get underwater. Then, it gets really hard if you try to submerge as far as it will let you.

The trick is to get a siphon tube that essentially picks sand up at atmospheric pressure, not whatever the pressure is several inches down. That's what the little hole is trying to do, but doesn't work well.

Get a 1/2" OD tube as a pickup. Put it inside a tube that's bigger, say 5/8 or 3/4 ID. Make sure they are even on the pickup end, the smaller tube should stick out the top of the bigger tube enough to hook up your flexible pickup hose. Actually, 3/8 OD and 1/2 or 5/8 ID might work better, whatever. Mine are held together by simply crimping them in a set of bolt cutters JUST ENOUGH that they stay together. You want to distort the inside of the pickup tube as little as possible. The commercial version I did see had a fancy little crimp that I couldn't duplicate. A pop rivet might work as well. My tubes still rattle a lot, which is fine.

That's it! Sucks sand like there's no tomorrow. Having it loose inside the cabinet is nice, too. I use it to scrape the sand down into the bottom of my hopper and stick it right in the middle. As I mentioned, a clog is cleared instantly. If you're watching carefully when you "backblast" it, you can usually see the piece of RTV or whatever caused the plug and quickly pick it up. My gun is the cheapo with the trigger on it. I have to rebuild the trigger every couple years, a triggerless gun and a footpedal would work better.

However, it's the increased flow of sand due to a better pickup that makes all the difference.

If I muddled things up, give a shout, I'll try to re-explain it. Better yet, I fixed my digital camera yesterday, maybe I'll just go take a pic and email it to you if you want.

Tools

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Butch

12-18-2003 17:49:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to tools, 12-18-2003 16:43:23  
I understand completely and it makes sence. I'll try it soon. Thank you



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tools

12-18-2003 20:57:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to Butch, 12-18-2003 17:49:20  
Let me know how it works for you!

Tools



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Butch

12-18-2003 06:00:14




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 Re: sandblaster in reply to pete, 12-17-2003 21:53:01  
A blaster is a blaster as far as removing unwanteds from your tractor parts except they come in two basic types, siphon and pressurerd vessel. The siphon type are cheap but snail slow except for very small parts with easy to remove coatings. They are used in blast cabnets for small parts mostly but I have seen units that look like a bucket on wheels for outside use. The economy pressure vessel type work just like the big boys units except for smaller capacity. The higher price units may hold more sand, may have whats known as a dead man's valve, more extra nozzles and be made of more wear resistant materials in general but given equal sized nozzles do not out perform the cheapest unit made as far as removing unwanteds from your tractor parts quickly. The biggest factor to consider is your compressor. nozzles are availible for different CFMs but only can get so small and get the sand through the hole. I only had so much to spend (like most) and bought the cheapest pressure vessel blaster I could find, I think about $50 from harbor frieght. Holds about 40 lbs of sand, no wheels no frills. But spent the rest of my budget on a old (1946) Jaeger 125 CFM contractors air compressor, a trailer type with 6cylinder Continental engine. They are very cheap around here, I think I have $300 in it with repairs. An undersized compressor will cure your lust to sanblast in a hurry. Silica dust, although not completely harmless, is a heck of a long ways from what I would call toxic and should not scare you away from blasting. It should cause you to wear a respirator as suggested by Iceman if for no other reason the lead partical dust you create. Please read my posts just below on this.

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craig davis

01-07-2007 23:02:57




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 Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to Butch, 12-18-2003 06:00:14  
I just purchased a Jaeger 125 air compressor with the F226 engine. I am looking for any and all information,parts used or new, or old machines to rob parts from.Any info would be appreciated.



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tools

12-18-2003 21:01:08




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 Re: Re: sandblaster in reply to Butch, 12-18-2003 06:00:14  
Thanks for these comments! Been on the verge of getting one for years, but had NO CLUE if the more expensive units were really worth more.

Looks like the way to go for me is to buy the largest discount blaster I can get, then upgrade things like the nozzle as they wear out.

Tools



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iceman

12-18-2003 04:30:22




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 Re: sandblaster in reply to pete, 12-17-2003 21:53:01  
when using silica sand, one must use proper respirator. the pros use fresh air supply. Silicosous is a lung disease associated with sand blasting...mike



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