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Jim

12-12-2003 04:41:26




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I recently purchased a sandblaster. I was told not to use sand in it but to use possibly glass beads or something other than silica sand because of the health hazard and the fact that sand will get into bearings and seals and ruin them. I was also told that you can buy ground up walnut shells to use in your sandblaster and they work great. Also, where can I buy this media? Can someone enlighten me on this subject?? Thanks!

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Butch

12-15-2003 08:21:59




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 Re: Sandblast media in reply to Jim, 12-12-2003 04:41:26  
The danger of breathing silica dust is so greatly exagerated that it is insane, absolutely insane. Some dude that worked in a silica sand plant for 30 years breathing air thats like standing in front of your sandblaster nozzle gets sick, duh!! and so silica dust becomes the latest daring of the everything is bad for you crowd. The use of reasonable caution (like who in their right mind wouldn't know that breathing a dust cloud of anything isn't good for them compared to laboratory clean air?) is in order here. Wear a dust mask no matter what you blast with. The guy who told you to use "safer" glass beads is the kind of fool that the scare tactic crowd just loves. What is glass? melted silica sand. What happens when you smash glass beads against iron at 200 mph out of your blaster? SILICA DUST, DUH!!! So go spend 5X the money for glass beads to keep yourself and the tree huggers happy if that trips your trigger but dont believe for a minute that it is healthier for either. Walnut shells work and are a bit easier on the componants they get into but in 30 years of breathing a fog of them I'll bet some kind of 'cosis would develope. Bottom line is silica sand is no good in the works of your tractor, neither is anything else that will abrade rust and scale when shot out of a blaster. It is the cheapest media (around here anyway, 5 miles from the plant) and it is no more a health risk than I am the king of Siam.

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Dean Mn

12-17-2003 18:18:53




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 Re: Re: Sandblast media in reply to Butch, 12-15-2003 08:21:59  
Any thoughts about lead paint on older tractors? I know that local bridge blasting and painting companies use a product called blastox that is supposed to bind with the lead and make it non hazardous.



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Butch

12-17-2003 19:08:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Sandblast media in reply to Dean Mn, 12-17-2003 18:18:53  
I hope I didn't come across with a cave man mentality for safety, health and environmental issues but I deal with silica in my job and know the details of that whole fiasco. While I will admit it is probably not the most environmentally sound thing to do I always blast with a breeze at my back and let the chips fall where they may. I also wear a good mask. I'm not doing this commercially and piling up leaded paint residue behind the shop and breathing this crap daily, just doing a few old tractors. Lead is a serious problem when dealing with massive amounts of old paint such as highway bridge restoration or when a person fools around with lead in any form in the course of his daily work. Do you have any idea how much paint is on the average freeway bridge? I'd guess about 20 tractors worth, or probably twice what I would deal with in my lifetime. I had not really thought about the lead lying behind the shop but I�ll bet I�ll scatter more lead next time I go rabbit hunting than I ever scatter with a sandblaster. I'll check into that product, if it's not expensive and does as you claim a person would only be acting responsibly to use it. As far as breathing it, between being up wind and the mask I don't believe I have a worry, but that�s only my opinion.

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12-14-2003 14:23:03




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 Re: Sandblast media in reply to Jim, 12-12-2003 04:41:26  
I use Silica Sand, which is Labeled NOT FOR SANDBLASTING on it, just to cover their responsibility. I do it on a big plastic tarp, and you can scoop it up again and sift to re-use more. Yes, sand gets into any little place, I found some in places I even had taped tight as I thought. I also have home-made unit, same sand in it. You can get the black bueaty stuff some places. Tractor supply has some in pails. TSC. You need to get a catalog from TP tools in Ohio. They have tons of blast stuff, costs quite a bit, but catalog explains many things and has good pictures to show what to use and why. They have all the material, but pricey. I built the kit/plans they offer with some of thier parts. I reccommend the Hardened metal tips, others are gone quickly! IN cabinets the tips and glass wear out or frost over fast, need changinb often. They offer a liner for glass, I just have safety glass and put a plexiglas inner peice on it's backside. I did use plain glass their, but plastic lets sand bounce off and lasts clearer longer. You should have a shop vac hooked up too, or you wont be able to see in a minute with all the dust in cabinet. Try www.tptools.com for catalog and on-line info is good too. Eastwood is another place, pricey, but neat odd tools. TSC again has quite a bit of accessories for blasting and air, at least by me it does. Walnut shells are more for stuff that can't be harmed, like electric motor windings and such, as the sand really rips into stuff, leaving a sort of rough metal surface. I often remove part, then use my wire wheel grinder to smooth it back down to reg looking metal surface again, it does instantly. Paint right away, starts rusting real soon, and you'll be doing again to knock off rust film if you don't.

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tick

12-13-2003 18:58:02




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 Re: Sandblast media in reply to Jim, 12-12-2003 04:41:26  
The biggest factor for me is in the recovery of your material.When i do a big job like a frame, I use beach sand ( for those of who have beaches)or clean clayless dry sand.Since I blast outside and have plenty of sand a good face filter theres no problem. For other jobs I use my ho-made blast cabinet with a material that last long and has little if any dust. This costing a bit more and warrants the recovery in the cabinet.

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Jim

12-13-2003 07:01:35




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 Re: Sandblast media in reply to Jim, 12-12-2003 04:41:26  
I use a sandblaster a little and for most of my work I use play sand from Home Depot. It is fairly fine and pretty dry and cheap!!! That works for me.



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adam

12-12-2003 19:42:55




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 Re: Sandblast media in reply to Jim, 12-12-2003 04:41:26  
Jim, I use Black Beauty sand it is low silica content and is cheaper than walnut shell. I use size 6 in my blaster and it does real well. I use a dust mask when I blast to reduce silica hazard as you probably would want to with any media. Here I can get the black beauty for $5.25 per 100# bag and walnut shell is like $25 per 100# bag, so big difference in price. Hope this helps you and good luck. Adam

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Slowpoke

12-25-2003 00:18:15




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 Re: Re: Sandblast media in reply to adam, 12-12-2003 19:42:55  
Where are you getting Black Beauty for $5.25/100#? I think TIP gets around $20-30 for 25#.



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George

12-13-2003 00:39:47




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 Re: Re: Sandblast media in reply to adam, 12-12-2003 19:42:55  
I believe Black Beauty is a slag-based product. Quite aggressive, but that can be somewhat adjusted by reducing air pressure or, on the fly, by increasing the nozzle-to-surface distance.

As for earlier comment about sand getting into bearings, I'd be cautious about any sort of blasting media getting into bearings -- it is not that much a function of media, but of air pressure. I do not blast anything with bearings, bushings, seals, etc. Best to dissassemble and use duct tape to cover areas you want to protect and rubber stoppers for holes and such. Blasting media (and the impurities picked up in recycled media) will find the smallest openings. (I had a friend that sandblasted the body of an antique car he was going to restore -- instead of removing the windows, he tried to tried to mask them off. Ended up damaging every window. Had to part out the car as replacement windows were too expensive.)

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jason

12-12-2003 14:38:43




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 Re: Sandblast media in reply to Jim, 12-12-2003 04:41:26  
For walnut media I would go with a Ammo reloading supply house. You can try powdervalley in Dexter KS, Kent has very good prices.



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Gary_N_WV

12-12-2003 07:38:22




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 Re: Sandblast media in reply to Jim, 12-12-2003 04:41:26  
Try looking at "Tractor Supply".

There is also a product called Black Beauty which I found at a local concrete plant.
This is the stuff they sand blast steel bridges with.



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