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Roosa Master Diesel fuel injecter pump rebuild

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Roger Rasmussen

10-22-2007 18:46:33




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This message is a reply to an archived post by msb on August 19, 2004 at 16:31:50.
The original subject was "Re: Roosa Master Diesel fuel injecter pump rebuild".

I have a Case 530 with a 188 diesel. The pump is getting weak,especially on startup. Have to start with eather most of the time. Problem started several years ago during a fuel shortage I bought fuel with water in it. The pump numbers our--DBGFCC431-27AJ Mod No A35774 ser No 695732
Is this something I can rebuild, are kits available, do I have to send it in and if so where and approximent cost. Thanks Roger.

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Wilsonfire

10-27-2007 19:37:27




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 Re: Roosa Master Diesel fuel injecter pump rebuild in reply to Roger Rasmussen--Polson,M, 10-22-2007 18:46:33  
Thanx Bob JDeMaris and so many others whom have helped me with my bizarre intermittent fuel and pump problems. I spent many hours troubleshooting, and working on my tractor. Finally I gave up and hired a mechanic, and paid $550 to a pump shop to give me a working tractor. The pump needed many new parts and a thorough tune test and run time, not to mention going over the tractor part by part to find all the gremlins. This was WAY over my head I"m glad to find an honest good mechanic that wouldn"t cut corners. Guys thanxs again for all your help.

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Bob

10-24-2007 15:17:50




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 Re: Roosa Master Diesel fuel injecter pump rebuild in reply to Roger Rasmussen--Polson,M, 10-22-2007 18:46:33  
The site linked below will give you an idea of what's in your pump. Your pump will NOT have the advance lever at the side, or the "HPCA", as shown on the automotive pump on the site.

MOST of the other parts are pretty darned similar.



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jdemaris

10-24-2007 15:29:28




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 Re: Roosa Master Diesel fuel injecter pump rebuild in reply to Bob, 10-24-2007 15:17:50  
One major difference - between working on a DB2 stuck in the middle of a GM or Ford V6 or V8 engine - as compared to working on a CB, DB or JDB on a tractor is this.

On the tractor, the pump is side-mounted and out in the open. This allows installing a timing window and checking and/or adjusting as necessary.



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Bob

10-24-2007 15:45:02




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 Re: Roosa Master Diesel fuel injecter pump rebuild in reply to jdemaris, 10-24-2007 15:29:28  
BEEN there, DONE that, DIN'T like it!

Now, I need to R+R the pump on MY truck engine... a V-8 3208 CAT. Not TOO bad of a job, outside of the $$$$ for another pump!

(STUPID me lent it to someone who let it sit with bad fuel in it.)



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jdemaris

10-24-2007 07:19:42




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 Rebuttal? in reply to Roger Rasmussen--Polson,M, 10-22-2007 18:46:33  
MSB asked if I wished to offer a rebuttal?
Okay.

I see it like this. Some people are good mechanics, and some are not. I can't judge what someone else is capable of doing. There is nothing magic, nor is there there anything overly complicated in a Stanadyne "Roosamaster" fuel injection pump. Basically, it is two fuel pumps joined together - one a high pressure plunger pump and the other a low pressure vane pump. Controls are added for RPMs, timing advance, and the amount of fuel delivered.

If you are a skilled mechanic - and like fixing things, figuring things out, and learning - working on a injection pump is no more complicated then rebuilding an engine, a cylinder head, transmission, magneto, etc.

Seems to be a lot of emphasis on a "hands off" attitude towards injection pumps - which is good for the pump shops. I see a lot of this as absolute nonsense.

The Stanadyne rotary pump comes in various forms. The DB2 pumps used on autos - like the GM 5.7s,6.2s and 6.5s - and also the Ford-IH 6.9s and 7.3s - can be much harder to work on than the pumps used on tractors.

With the DB, JDB, etc. pumps used on tractors - you can pull one apart, properly diagnose what needs to be replaced, put back togeher, set fuel delvery and timing advance with very few special tools. That, because you have the whole tractor and can adjust the pump on a running engine. A pump shop does NOT have that luxury and must rely on a pump test-stand that simulates engine conditions.

"Rebuilt" pumps, generally speaking, are NOT rebuilt. Many wear items are reused, not renewed.

When taking a pump apart, the close fitting parts are checked by feel and visual appearance - not by special measuring tools. Worn parts are usually very easy to see. Fuel delivery is set by using a simple 2" micrometer. Low-side fuel pump pressure set by using a 150 PSI gauge. Timing is checked on a running engine. This can be done with a plastic timing window or a gas-engine style timing light hooked to a magnetic pickup.

I don't adhere to the "clean room" story either. Nothing that relies on close-fiting metal parts does well with dirt. That includes, injection pumps and other forms of hydraulic pumps. That being said, I've done many out in the field and they worked fine - when done with care.

The reality is - most rotary pumps need a minimum of parts and time to fix properly. Often all that's needed is an $8 pilot tube, a $12 metering valve, a $14 seal kit, a $14 set of pump vanes and liner, and - if desired - a $35 update to elimate forever the plastic governor ring.
It takes a hour - start to finish - to do the job right if you have experience. If not - maybe, with care, it will take you four hours instead.

It's a personal choice, I guess. You might get the satisfaction of learning something new and fixing the pump yourself - for less than $100 - and maybe less than $50.

Or? Pay a pump shop $400 - $700 - let them do the work and then call yourself a mechanic.

On some Stanadynes you will need the special Bristol wrench to remove one screw - and it will cost you $10. The plastic timing window will also cost you $10. Those are the only special tools you might need.

That's my take on it - and I suspect that some people who say "only the experts" should do it,
are hestitant to do it themselves - and therefore don't like seeing anyone else do it.

It seems, at least to a degree - tractor collectors and enthusiasts tend to be a "hands on" community - so why preach "hands off" with this mechancial component?

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Weldin man

10-24-2007 16:47:49




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 Re: Rebuttal? in reply to jdemaris, 10-24-2007 07:19:42  
I would love to rebuild one sometime, couldn't be much harder than a 4 bbl holley truck carb. with a govenor. I did one of those today, but my question is where do you get the parts. The only place we have around here are rebuilders and they darn sure won't sell you anything.



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jdemaris

10-25-2007 06:15:48




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 Re: Rebuttal? in reply to Weldin man, 10-24-2007 16:47:49  
There are many places that will sell parts to anyone - with the same discount as a shop gets.

One example is U.S. Diesel in Fort Worth, Texas.
They will give you access, for free, to a complete injection pump parts catalog with prices and diagrams. Find them on the Web - or call 800-328-0037. They have good prices and ship fast; here are a few examples.

Parts for a Stanadyne "Roosamaster" DB pump:
Brass drive bushing (pilot tube) #16320 $4.83
Complete seal kit #24371 $12.10

In regard to pump tools - there are many places selling them dirt-cheap.

Plastic timing window # 13366 cost $10
Head screw fluted wrench #15499 $12

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Dave in Tx

10-27-2007 19:11:31




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 Re: Rebuttal? in reply to jdemaris, 10-25-2007 06:15:48  
I too jdemaris, have rebuilt a few on job sites. Rather I have repaired them on job sites. When 5-10 people are standing around waiting on a machine, it becomes a matter of economics rather than if you have a clean room. Same with a cushion valve on a hydro with a piece of teflon o ring in it. Get it out, apart and cleaned, back in the machine and get to work. The cylinder with the bad o ring will show up soon.

Dave

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msb

10-23-2007 07:53:08




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 Re: Roosa Master Diesel fuel injecter pump rebuild in reply to Roger Rasmussen--Polson,M, 10-22-2007 18:46:33  
There is a great debate about a novice trying to rebuild a Roosa Master pump. Not saying it can't be done, but with the training and experience that I have had,I would urge you to take it to someone who knows exactly what they are doing. There is a lot more to it than replacing parts and any kit available might not include the necessary parts to do the job right.A good part of knowing when to replace plungers, for instance as well as several other parts, is only gained after running several dozens in question on a test stand and if your pump is the cause of hard starting the plungers could, in fact, need replaced.Most likely it is the transfer pump needing rebuilt and the governor weight retainer seal is probably broken up. First of all the rebuild should be done in what is called a clean room with a filtered air supply.Now some will tell you they have rebuilt dozens on the tailgate of a truck and I have done so myself a few times, but it certainly is not the place to do it if you want a first class job that will go out and perform without any reoccuring problems or short service life. If you are only interested in the tractor running, then go ahead and try it, but there are some special tools you would need to do the job. Any dealer of any brand tractor in your area should be able to recommend a good rebuilder. The cost of the rebuild is proportional to the amount of wear or damage already incurred to the pump.If the rebuilder is using imported parts then the cost is considerably less that what it was a few years ago when only OEM parts were available.It would be best to ask the rebuilder to take a look inside and shoot you a price. Nothing worse that to give a price, only to have it come back to haunt you, so I don't.

O.K. its time for a JDEMaris rebuttal. John ?

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Kurt F. Cordes

10-22-2007 22:51:32




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 Re: Roosa Master Diesel fuel injecter pump rebuild in reply to Roger Rasmussen--Polson,M, 10-22-2007 18:46:33  
I got my injection pump rebuilt,just like yours for about $500.Take my advice, the rebuild,test run, set the gov. to proper speed, and it is warrentied.



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