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gossou

07-14-2007 18:12:34




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just buying a case tractor suppose to be a 1958,how can i identifying which model i got no serial number on a plate but many part got number always beginning by vt,like vt 695,vt396 etc,got a small front loader and the colour is orange not sure the original paint,when taking a look at photo maybe look like a little bit as a 310 b thanks




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wayne2

07-15-2007 06:24:46




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 Re: identifying a case in reply to gossou, 07-14-2007 18:12:34  
Listen to Joe-never a bad steer!!!!!



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Joe (Wa)

07-15-2007 01:19:15




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 Re: identifying a case in reply to gossou, 07-14-2007 18:12:34  
VT casting nrs are associated VA series tractors. Some VT casting pieces did carried over to the 300 & 300B series but most will start with a "G".

VT396 does not show up in my VA or 300/300B parts manuals but that is not unusual as casting nrs are not always used for the p/n.

VT695 is listed in the VA parts manual as "Housing - brake shaft (VAC14 only)". The other VA series tractors use VT264 brake shaft housing. The 300 and 300B series tractors do not have a separate removable brake shaft housing, it is an integral part of the transmission casting.

The VA series engine is 124 cid, block casting nr is below the dipstick, if original later VA will be VT328 or VT328A. The 300 & 300B series gas engine is 148 cid, casting nr is the same place and if original G1000 or G1235.

The engine serial nr is stamped into the block above the starter on both the VA series & the 300/300B series tractors. The late VA series s/n will have 2 digits + a letter + 5 digits, (Ex 72E12345). The 300/300B s/n will have 3 digits + a letter + 5 digits (Ex 110M12345).

Look at the casting nr on your transmission shifter cover, Common & exclusive to VA is VT161 & VT207.

If you want to post some more casting nrs, I will try to ID them.

Joe

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gossou

07-16-2007 12:25:40




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 Re: identifying a case in reply to Joe (Wa), 07-15-2007 01:19:15  
thanks joe for the info. not at home will try to find the serial number when i ll be back ,another question for you

do you hnow where to put the hydraulic oil,is it possible it s the same place as the transmission oil,got a plug near the driver seat



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Joe (Wa)

07-16-2007 19:08:36




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 Re: identifying a case in reply to gossou, 07-16-2007 12:25:40  
Well gossou, we need to be sure which model tractor you have to discuss details. Considering the VT casing nrs, I'll just do the VAC, see if you can match this to your tractor.

Transmission oil & hyd oil are separate sumps.

Transmission fill/dipstick plug is a square head 1" NPT pipe plug located on the shifter cover just to the left of the shifter. Fill to the mark on the plug dipstick.

The torque tube is the hydraulic oil reservoir. There is no dipstick. The fill is a square head 3/4" NPT pipe plug on the left side of the torque tube forward of the clutch pedal, and on later VAC, just above a small 4 bolt cover that is access to the filter. Full is to the lip of the plug opening.

Joe

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gossou

07-18-2007 04:12:34




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 Re: identifying a case in reply to Joe (Wa), 07-16-2007 19:08:36  
thanks again joe
as you said the serial number is above the starter and it s 72g15370
the number near the shifter is vt161

are you able to tell me which model i got and what year

where can i buy the service manual for the tractors i got

again thank you very much for all the info you give me

christian



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Joe (Wa)

07-18-2007 16:09:25




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 Re: identifying a case in reply to gossou, 07-18-2007 04:12:34  
Christian, OK you have a 1951 to 1955 VA series tractor. I have a 1953 VAC-13, engine serial nr 72G05214. The letter "G" is chronological and your 5 digits are higher than mine. There is an overlap in engine serial nrs so it is not definite but logical that your tractor is about the same year or later than mine but not later than 1955. We may be able to narrow the year down later by VT casting or p/n's if you want to pursue that.

Now we have to determine which model in the VA series you have. Click on the link below. When the site loads, click on GROUP 1 - GENERAL. When the page loads, the first page shows the cover of the best service manual for 50’s VA series tractors, click on the page to enlarge for reading, the p/n of that manual is Rac 258. This is a reprint of the 1959 VA manual. Do not buy any manual older than 1959 as it will not cover some of the changes made in '53 -'55.

Now scroll down to the pages G1-A4 and G1-A5 that have the tractor pictures. Again, click on the page to enlarge. These are the 1950's models in the VA series. Try to match the model to your tractor. Pay particular attention to wide front or narrow front end and the configuration of the front axle. There are different front axles avail for the VA & VAI but they are all solid, nonadjustable type similar to the pic's. The VAS is offset to the right side like a Farmall cub and has drop axles in the rear. The VAH is a HI-CROP rear drop axles and long spindles in the front. The VAC is a ROW-CROP (not a HI-CROP) a wfe will have a round tube, adjustable front axle. All these tractors are HI PROFILE except the VAO & the VAC-14 are LOW PROFILE. Low profile tractors have a lower seat, shorter steering wheel shaft, shorter shifter usually bent toward the dash and the foot boards are mounted at the bottom of the transmission as opposed to level with the top as all high profile tractors are. Don't put too much weight on the location of the head lights, the height of the air cleaner stack, or the vertical/underslung exhaust as these can and do get changed over the years.

Anyway that is enough for today. If you need further info, please give me as much info re the above as you can I.E. if the tractor is say a low profile, tell me about the front axle, steering shaft has universal joints or is a drag link, etc then we can figure out whether it is a VAO or a VAC-14 pretty easy.

Joe

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