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Nasty little bolts will not budge

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Steve Gerot

12-01-2006 15:51:43




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Ive been soaking these bolts in PB Blaster for about 3 weeks now The last week or so Ive been going to the shop 2 or 3 times a day and rapping each one a few times with a brass hammer then re-applying more PB Blaster. as you can see they are not eroded away just rusted in.

I bought a cheap 1/4 inch socket set today on ebay that has my 15/32 socket along with 11/32, 13/32, and 17/32. I also went to sears and bought a little 1/4 drive breaker bar so hopefully when my sockets arrive I will have some success.

I did try a 12mm and its a no go.

Some thing else I dont under stand is the mixture of square and hex head bolts on the rad.

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Steve Gerot

12-07-2006 17:50:50




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 Re: Nasty little bolts will not budge in reply to Steve Gerot, 12-01-2006 15:51:43  
Finally got those bolts out. A few broke off but there is enough sticking up to make removing them easy. I bought a 3/8 butterfly impact. It worked pretty good. I kinda would like to try that trick with the brass rod

Now I need to find some one to repair the core. Its in pretty good shape except for one place where something hit it. 2 of the tubes were torn open. Im in Iowa city. Around here finding some one who says they will do the work and getting them to actually do it are 2 different things.

I dont have electricity in my shop and my compressor is way to big to run on a drop cord. So I have to plug into the house and run 150' of air hose. So it was about 15 degrees out side that day. Any way the air comming out of that tool was like putting my had on a piece of dry ice. A smart guy would have worn gloves.

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Irv ( Ia)

12-07-2006 17:22:50




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 Re: Nasty little bolts will not budge in reply to Steve Gerot, 12-01-2006 15:51:43  
If you have a stick welder, put a 1/4" piece of brass rod, if you have one, in the rod holder. Turn your welder on one of the lower amperages, put the rod on top of the bolt and turn it on. Let that bolt get good and hot and then shut the welder off without lifting the rod off the bolt. That will get you what without the without the problems of flames. Use a good penetrant like you have been and I think you'll get it.

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JHesler

12-03-2006 19:18:17




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 Re: Nasty little bolts will not budge in reply to Steve Gerot, 12-01-2006 15:51:43  
If the PB Blaster isn't working, try Kroil. I can see that the heat required would be a problem. Try impact, either an impact wrench or steamboat wrench.



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MarkB_MI

12-02-2006 10:38:37




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 Re: Nasty little bolts will not budge in reply to Steve Gerot, 12-01-2006 15:51:43  
Heat is the only thing that will get those bolts out. Put a small brazing tip on your oxyacetylene torch so you can focus the heat on the bolt head without heating the surrounding material. Wnen the bolt head turns red, grab ahold of it with Vise Grips and the bolt will turn right out. Just be careful to use no more heat than is necessary.

If you don't have an acetylene torch, go out and buy one now. Even if you manage to extract those bolts without heat, you're going to need a torch sooner or later.

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CalJim

12-01-2006 21:59:32




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 Re: Nasty little bolts will not budge in reply to Steve Gerot, 12-01-2006 15:51:43  

You need to heat those cherry red with cutting
torch then then pour water on them. The rapid
heat/cool will expand/shrink the bolt and break
it loose. Never fails. Even if they don't come
right away now the penetrant can get in there
better to do its job. CalJim



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Steve Gerot

12-02-2006 00:16:45




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 Re: Nasty little bolts will not budge in reply to CalJim, 12-01-2006 21:59:32  
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There is 2 things that I would worrie about using that much heat. That is very old very thin cast they are threaded into. they are also running through the core header very close to the tubes.
Thanks



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glennster

12-03-2006 08:06:55




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 Re: Nasty little bolts will not budge in reply to Steve Gerot, 12-02-2006 00:16:45  
pick up a butane micro torch, they have a tiny pencil flame. do the penetrating oil, apply some heat, let em cool, tap em with a hammer and repeat. you can also try a 3/8 impact wrench, set the air pressure real low so the gun has ver little power. then impact foreward and reverese. dont try to remove the bolt, just keep teasing it withe the lite impact blows to work the penetrating oil into the threads. i usually get overzealous and wind up breaking the bolt off, then kick myself for being in a hurry as i go for the easy outs, tap set and heli coils. you can also try a box wrench on the bolt and tap down on the head with a hammer while applying back and forth on the wrench. old tractors are fun!!!!!

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old

12-01-2006 16:51:15




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 Re: Nasty little bolts will not budge in reply to Steve Gerot, 12-01-2006 15:51:43  
Try some good old cheap tranny fluid. I have had better luck with tranny fluid then I have ever had with PB or other types of oil



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slowfolk

12-01-2006 16:05:07




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 Re: Nasty little bolts will not budge in reply to Steve Gerot, 12-01-2006 15:51:43  
Try Liquid Wrench works everytime



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