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Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK?

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Rare Part Colle

03-08-2008 18:57:13




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Have a PERFECT TSC company "G" POWERBLOCK made in the 1960s, sleeves out and block has NO cracks in the casting between the two cylinders at the top of the block where the fits for the sleeves are and has NO cracks around the nine bosses where the head studs go, face hasnt been thinned either by milling,you'll have to make sleeves. $4,000.00 , located in Tavares, FL . e-mail me at hotmail e-mail service at bigpig41 address if in need

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KJWA

03-11-2008 07:36:03




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Rare Part Collector, 03-08-2008 18:57:13  
Rare part dude...forget JDB puller--he is messing around with another guy, too--must not be a lot of orders for JD B blocks, so he's not busy



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jd b puller

03-08-2008 20:08:27




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Jim Johnson, 03-08-2008 18:57:13  
Maybe it comes with a free tractor. Or maybe he's just looking for a sucker. Oops I gave it away. Although I'll admit, I didn't find any G powerblocks for sale.



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Frankenstein JD-A

03-08-2008 19:55:33




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Rare Part Collector, 03-08-2008 18:57:13  
You are kidding, right? If it is perfect, why do you have to make new sleeves? No one is going to pay anything near $4k when you can buy a BRAND NEW block, with 1" bigger bore, and NEW pistons, for another $400.



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Rare part collector

03-08-2008 20:20:03




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Frankenstein JD-A, 03-08-2008 19:55:33  
There is No such thing as a non-resleeved JD G TSC powerblock that is perfect because the original seals around the tops of the sleeves now nearly 50 years old cant be trusted if one bores the sleeves causing a slight shift of the sleeve in the fit or if the block has ever been acid dipped> put a flat piece of steel over each end of the block with a threaded rod through both of them and the cylinder and pressure test the cylinder looking for leakage of air into the water jacket.....back to your response> guess if your club allows the block you refer to and if the builder doesn't mind weakening the main case to the point where its likely to break from clearance grinding(have heard some even grind completely through the case on the right side and weld a patch on the outside to clearance that block) then your block is the way to go..... I have a second original G powerblock the same as the first one described but has had new sleeves with 3 new viton O-rings per sleeve installed and then bored and finished for a 7-inch piston>that block is more than a perfect CORE and is $6,000.00 and has never been used since resleeving.

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Dale Gribble

03-09-2008 17:57:59




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Rare part collector, 03-08-2008 20:20:03  
If someone is dumb enough to pay that, then I've got some prime oceanfront property in Iowa and a nice bridge in NY that I'd sell for that price too!



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jd b puller

03-08-2008 20:36:14




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Rare part collector, 03-08-2008 20:20:03  
The Murphy Block that he"s referring to (formerly Jerry"s Block) is typically legal everywhere that a power block is. I think he"s just telling you that you have a right to sell any parts for as much as you think they"re worth, but it"s doubtful that anyone that knew what they were doing would buy it. The abovementioned company also makes a 7" block with pistons for about $4500.

At 7", it isn't a major butcher of the crankcase, as you correctly pointed out at 7.5". You could also send a stock block out to Jack in Hooper and for $1500 or so, have a 7" bore in an original block that would be legal in EVERY single class out there. Division I on up.

Powerblocks and the Murphy block normally aren"t allowed until you get to NATPA Division III. Sorry to hear that you've got $6k wrapped up in a PowerBlock.

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Rare Part Collector

03-08-2008 20:41:34




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to jd b puller, 03-08-2008 20:36:14  
You guys know if they are moving the centers of the two cylinders closer together in the effort to overcome the difficulty with the right side of the main case?



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Rare Part Collector

03-09-2008 18:15:43




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to jd b puller, 03-08-2008 21:00:37  
Hey dummies: These are more valuable to gearheads than oceanfront properties that they're making more of every day. The original Powerblock made for TSC by the Richland corp. in Wisconsin is as rare as hens teeth.



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jd b puller

03-09-2008 19:04:49




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Rare Part Collector, 03-09-2008 18:15:43  
Ok, I was going to let this thing lie until you addressed that last post at me. I'm bullheaded, stubborn, and a little slow sometimes, but not a dummy.

Why on earth would these be so valuable to a "gearhead" at the price you are asking? 6.5" bore isn't that impressive for a G anymore. And you can buy a NEW BLOCK that's bigger and JUST AS LEGAL as your Fool's Gold that you have. You must have missed the last post as well that stated for about $1500 you can make a STOCK BLOCK - that means it's legal everywhere, much bigger than your block. You're either a tractor jockey looking for a fool, or you are a fool who got fed a line that this was a "must have".

Tell you what, I'll make a mold and cast them, I'll sell you 30 of them for $3500 each, quite a bargain, eh?

Oh, and take your classified ads to the classifieds.

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Rare Part Collector

03-09-2008 19:17:23




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to jd b puller, 03-09-2008 19:04:49  
Comeon B puller.....you can see a little bit of facitiousness can't you?? Oh, these blocks are for 7-inch setups not 6.5" . I'm pretty sure those 1500 dollar jobs aren't set up with original durability with sleeves set in the block AS ORIGNIAL with 3 Orings per sleeve and a ledge at the back of each sleeve as it was from TSC that keeps the sleeve from moving because its pinched between the block and the main case..... ...at recent citrus county FL pull you had a couple 25K plus Gs there with your so called wonder blocks that they had to drill and tap bolts from the lateral aspects of the block above the framerales to keep the sleeve from moving back and forth(give me a break). OH! and your 1500.00 sleeve job block probably has glue used instead of o=rings to seal compression out of the waterjacket.

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JDGnut

03-09-2008 19:33:08




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Rare Part Collector, 03-09-2008 19:17:23  
Never seen a TSC block at 7in, that was stock.. it might be 7in with out the sleeves???

And it needs sleeves??



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Rare part collector

03-09-2008 19:45:06




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to JDGnut, 03-09-2008 19:33:08  
No JD G nut: My understanding was that the reason the G blocks had 7-1 cast in the top was that Richland corp was originally going to crank them out at seven inches but had problems with the first few and then dropped to 6.5( just anecdotal though)

JD B: Glued or press fit spells antifreeze in the oil to me(in my humble opinion)

BIG juggs: I won't do it again>>simple add in the wrong place sparked bunches of bigmouths who were confuseing "block to expensive" with the real issue of what one spends his money on. I just had to comment on that "DISCUSSION" as 4K is NOTHIN compared to what you would see money spent on foolishly if you looked around most of these above poster's properties and homes.

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jd b puller

03-09-2008 19:32:27




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Rare Part Collector, 03-09-2008 19:17:23  
The more you talk, the less you know. At some point, you'll stop. Although, as with most people that don't know what they're doing, you'll keep rambling until I give up trying to convince you that you've got cubic zirconium at diamond prices.

They put those O'rings in there so they could be made with minimal interference fit and built as a production type part. Kind of a band aid to allow for a sloppy fit. With the "make to order" type blocks that are being done now, you shouldn't need o-rings, just set the interference where it belongs and take the time to do it right, not fast. Kind of like that ledge on the back to make sure the sleeve doesn't go anywhere. A simple pin thru the block, ground flush will do wonders to hold things in place. Sufficient interference fit will do the same thing, but the block probably wouldn't handle a 5 thou interference at the head end. I think it's hollowed out up there to allow for some cooling.

I believe the guy that does the sleeves in the stock blocks welds the sleeves in. No, they aren't perfect and it's possible to have problems, but he's also making them up to 7.75" diameter. If you just took one to 6.75" or so, you could put 1/4" between the sleeves and ensure a solid weld bead all the way around. Would be a much tougher setup than a Powerblock ever was. Powerblocks were made with cheaper iron than Deere used in their (or me in my) blocks.

At 7", you won't need reinforcements back to the tractor.

Good thing you are a Rare Part Collector, cuz i think that one will have dust on it for quite a while at 4k.

So when do you want the 3o just like it? I'm giving you a bargan at $3500. No, wait, I like you, make it an even $100k and you'll have them in October. All machined out (no sleeves of course)

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Wayne Shroud

03-10-2008 15:22:46




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to jd b puller, 03-09-2008 19:32:27  
Problems With Power Blocks for any of the models.

If the o- rings go bad then your screwed, I dont think you can get o-rings anymore.

Has no compression reliefs or petcocks to ease starting when having a high compression engine.

Not sure on the B's but you can bore a stock block on the G to 6.375" and an A out to 5.875.
Your only .125 away from having a power block and still dont have to spend a pile of money. And your better off as there are more stock blocks around than Power Blocks!

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Rare Part Collector

03-10-2008 19:18:12




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Wayne Shroud, 03-10-2008 15:22:46  
Dear Wayne: Any original Powerblock's O-rings are oxidized and present a high risk for leakage..... ..thats why you put new ones on the new larger sleeves.

The petcocks are possible and work much better than in a stock block set-up



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Dale Gribble

03-09-2008 18:55:09




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Rare Part Collector, 03-09-2008 18:15:43  
If they were as rare as hen's teeth, then far fewer of us would have them or even know what they are. No one is trying to tell you that they're a dime a dozen, its just that your 6,000 price tag is a bit overboard...unless of course, that includes pistons, rings, pins, gaskets, delivery, assembly/installation, and a tractor to put it in too!



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Rare part collector

03-09-2008 19:07:03




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Dale Gribble, 03-09-2008 18:55:09  
I'm thinking back to last night and remembering that you guys started your ranting and raving BEFORE the second finished block I have available was even discussed(would have to reread the threads to be sure). Tonight in the classified adds is 8K for a 49 plain jane low performance G. What your sayin is that the most rare/desirable antique high performance part over the past 25 years(EVERY TRACTOR BRAND INCLUDED) has been commoditized like many other things. You'll go out and blow 45K for a new diesel pickup that is exactly like everyone else has and not think anything of it(smilee face here if I knew how) but think 4K is alot of money for something unique. 4-6K unfortunately ain't NOTHIN. In fact as fast as the US dollar has fallin(over 5% in last month) I should only offer the block for sale in EUROS

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Dale Gribble

03-09-2008 19:43:17




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Rare part collector, 03-09-2008 19:07:03  
Yes, but it doesn't mean that at 8k for that G that he has a line of people at his door and a phone that won't stop ringing either. By all means, ask whatever asking price on your blocks as you want, thats why they're yours and not ours...but at the same time then don't try to pull the wool over our eyes and tell us they're the greatest thing since sliced bread and that your price is what they're actually worth. Myself and enough others on here have been around the block enough to know what is what. Part of the purpose of this forum is to help younger/less experienced and/or less knowledgeable pullers out on these sort of things so that they don't get taken time after time and end up giving up on this great hobby (Refer to any post regarding Denny's). So ask what you want, and do it on the classifieds, we'll leave you alone. But try to tell the world your theories on here and expect no feedback on the contrary, dream on!

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Rare Part Collector

03-09-2008 19:55:04




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Dale Gribble, 03-09-2008 19:43:17  
Now Gribble: you need to goback and CAREFULLY read the posts again and see that I never misrepresented what I have..... .just factually answered and corrected WRONG inferences about what I have..... your puttin words in my mouth..... never begged you to buy this stuff or tried to "pull wool" over anyone's eyes.....your way OFF jack! Go sell your 30K TV so you have money to spend making your 1K tractor make it past the 50 foot line

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Big Juggs

03-09-2008 19:24:49




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 Re: Need a Tractor Supply Company G POWERBLOCK? in reply to Rare part collector, 03-09-2008 19:07:03  
Well, you go ahead and ask whatever you want for your blocks....but try doing it in the classifies next time. You will get far less heat, and probably less in terest also:)



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