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Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!)

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jD NUT

03-07-2008 09:22:20




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Snow going to have much of a impact on the number of tractors at the pull?




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mh444

03-12-2008 22:30:45




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to jD NUT, 03-07-2008 09:22:20  
Ron < Don't worry you are not going to have to raises the curtians, Oldtimer doesn't have the Balls to show up. But if he does please give him some Massey Harris Manuals he needs to read a little deeper, What he is throwing out on here is plain and simple CRAP. He is making himself look and sound stupid. But it is his story he can tell it anyway HE wants. Alot of his numbers are off he must be pull something ORANGE HA HA

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High Octane

03-11-2008 06:23:25




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to jD NUT, 03-07-2008 09:22:20  
Ron Brokaw,,, I think your 101 educated em. We pulled against one for years, and they are some super pulling machines, dont care what engine they have in em, Ive seen em with both small block and big block chryslers, and the continentals, it dont matter, the chassis still is a very potent puller for its weight class. Why tell em what you got??? Let em stew. JMHO



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Ron Brokaw

03-11-2008 06:20:50




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to jD NUT, 03-07-2008 09:22:20  
My answer to Oldtimer38: NO, I agree that since I run a crysler engine that the 230, 237, 251, 256, 306, 331, 377 and 413 are not Div. 2 legal and hope they never permit them. Don't forget the Hudson as a illegal alian also. Thanks for your kind words about my tractor. You seem to know a little about Crysler engines and are at several of my pulls so someday come over and I may let you look under my side shields.

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jd b puller

03-10-2008 18:44:37




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to alliecat, 03-07-2008 09:22:20  
Ron, thanks for the free advertising. Don't be so defensive, you misinterpreted what I asked you. I was trying to help you. They were acusing you of cheating, running the wrong engine, etc. Seemed simple enough if you just told them what it was. The rules state that you need to run the correct block in Division II, I figured if you were, you'd just tell them and they'd leave you alone. Guess I was wrong.

My block was designed for division III, IV and V, just like a Power Block, Murphy's Block, (Jerry's block). I wouldn't encourage someone to put it in Division II or I.

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Ron Brokaw

03-10-2008 19:27:06




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to jd b puller, 03-10-2008 18:44:37  
JD B PULLER: Sorry if you thought I was being defensive. Let me try again if I might to explain it another way. I know for a fact that the engine in my tractor is the correct one for it but may not be the one that came in it. If I gave the casting number over this internet some koot would somehow get my serial number (of tractor)and accuse me of having the incorrect engine. A whole new can of worms. This could go on forever. End of discussion. BE GOOD! BE KIND! AND BE CAREFUL!!

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Oldtimer38

03-11-2008 05:11:59




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to Ron Brokaw, 03-10-2008 19:27:06  
Nobody has the time to waste beating around the bush and playing games with semantics. If I read your previous comment correctly, it appears that you don�t want to release your engine block casting number because it will tell us what the engine block is. Let�s try another approach, I will get right to it, are you telling us that a Chrysler 230, 237, 251, 256, 306, 331, 377 and 413 are all Div 2 legal in a 101? (A simple yes or no is all we need.) I know the Chrysler 201 and 217 are clearly legal because that�s what came in them, but are you and your sanctioning organizations saying these others qualify as �factory replacement blocks�?

On the continental side, the 226 and 244 were available in certain 101s from the factory. Is it Div 2 legal to use the Continental 271, 290, 330, 363, 371, and 427? What about the Hudson 308: Is it Division 2 legal? (Again, just a simple yes or no answer.) If all of these are Div 2 legal, then that�s great for the MH 101 because that really puts it at a clear advantage over those power house lightweight Div 2 pullers like the Fords, ACs, Farmals and other tiny tractors manufactured with <200 CID. Ron, I really like watching your tractor compete, your tractor is clean and well designed and very well built. However, if you are running anything other than a 201, 217, 226 or 244, I believe and others may agree, your tractor belongs in Div IV, otherwise, you will continue to soundly defeat a class full of 2 or 3 machines and continue to contribute to the demise of antique pulling.

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jd b puller

03-10-2008 13:49:04




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to pullerboy624, 03-07-2008 09:22:20  

Ron Brokaw said: (quoted from post at 11:52:24 03/10/08) Div. 2 Puller still can not get his facts right!!! 2006 is not last year. 2007 is last year. 2008 super pull was this year. Here's your crying towell!!


Ron, what block casting do you have in there? That should pretty well settle things, eh?

I don't know most of the people in this discussion, and I didn't go to the pull. I will say one thing though, if I go to a pull and there's 3 in my class and 20 in the other, I'd rather pull in the "other" class if I'm legal (up or down).

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Point of order

03-10-2008 21:05:28




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to jd b puller, 03-10-2008 13:49:04  
If your the defending national champion in div. 3, I fail to see how it can be fun putting 50-60 ft. on second place in a div 2 class even if theres 20 in the class. I doubt you'll ever see guys like Arnold Martin pulling in div.2 with the same tractor he won a championship with in div. 3. Even if your legal?, whats the point?



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Ron Brokaw

03-10-2008 16:14:07




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to jd b puller, 03-10-2008 13:49:04  
jd b puller Ray, I see you are casting JD blocks that are making 442 cubes with a 7.5" crank and 2.625" journals and you are asking about my casting number? 10 out of 10 guy's would answer that. I don't have to run illegal to have a little fun. I will continue to run Div.#2 or #3 which ever I feel as long as my tractor meets the rules and has the most competion. Thanks for sharing your feelings on competion with more tractors.

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hey Ron

03-11-2008 05:56:05




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to Ron Brokaw, 03-10-2008 16:14:07  
forget this guy, he pulls a B JD..that should tell you something, he won't come play with the big boys! he plays with B's----putt, putt, putt, BANG!!



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jd b puller

03-11-2008 06:12:43




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to hey Ron, 03-11-2008 05:56:05  
Actually there were 6 putts, then the BANG at the end... But that was 2 years ago.

It's not me that you should worry about, I'll probably never pull against him in Division II. I figured if he was legal, he'd post his casting number (not serial number) and these guys would leave him alone and resolve this issue...

So, ok, you figured me out, I pull a JD B - what's with the "play with the Big Boys" comment, your buddy Ron is pulling division II, is that the new "Big Boy" class? Having a hard time with your logic, what makes it a Big Boy Class. Maybe if you pull a heavy tractor, it's the Big Boys, or maybe it's the division you run in IV, V. , or are you bashing Ron as well?...He's in the 3500# Div II class... I guess I could go find some uncut tires and pull that class so I could run with the Big Boys. Or maybe I'll stay where I belong in Div III or IV.

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Ron Brokaw

03-09-2008 20:45:13




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to jD NUT, 03-07-2008 09:22:20  
Been to Tallmadge and just returned home to here these cry babies. First let me set DIV.2 PULLER straight since he was not at the Dekalb pull or he would not be trash talking me. I was not even at Dekalb pull last year as it and Tallmadge came on the same day and I was at Tallmadge. As far as pulling in Div. II there was one tractor in Div. III last year, what fun that would have been. Besides that I pulled with this club COATPA for two years (2005, 2006) in Div. II and wanted to compete against a tractor from northern Ohio. As far as me being able to beat the othe competetors in 3500# class I had the test hook of the day. The sled was lined up on the right side of the track and it had pulled me to very far left at 160 some feet and had to shut down before I went out of bounds. I droped to last. The other tractors seen what happened but they chose to go straight down the right side of track spinning out in a soft area at approx. 100ft. I came out of starting gate and went directly to left side of track on solid dirt and out distanced them by approx. 50 ft. The other tractors had ran where I went I probably would not have won. The following classes all ran where I ran. As far as OLDTIMER38 I pull Div. III in NATPA and have been through tech and closely checked. If you have ever heard the name Gary Baker then I should have to say no more. He has had his fingers in my engine. OK? You guys are happy when the AC's can use D15's, FARMALL'S can use 350's and Oliver's can use ????? But when a little spunky MH 101 comes on the scene lets get our crying towells out before we know the facts.I am sixty eight years old and have been pulling tractors since 1954. If I have not learned something in those years (reading track, balancing tractor, etc.) it's my fault. I am probably one of the smallest cubed tractors. There are some monster tractors that I have to pull against. (AC,s & IH,s) But my wife and I are having fun travling and meeting great pullers from other states and spending our kids inheritence. If you look at my winning's on NATPA I am not a consistant winner. Tallmadge I got my butt kicked big time.

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Div. 2 puller

03-10-2008 00:13:50




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to Ron Brokaw, 03-09-2008 20:45:13  
Well mr trust me I'm telling the truth. Look on the Dekalb Super Pull Results for 2006. Must be another guy with the same name and tractor as you. This year If you would have pulled in div. 3 instead of div 2 there would have been 3 in div 3 and 2 in div 2. Guess your right, its a lot more fun pulling against tractors in a div lower than you normally pull.



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Ron Brokaw

03-10-2008 08:52:24




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to Div. 2 puller, 03-10-2008 00:13:50  
Div. 2 Puller still can not get his facts right!!! 2006 is not last year. 2007 is last year. 2008 super pull was this year. Here's your crying towell!!



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Div. 2 puller

03-10-2008 14:31:22




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to Ron Brokaw, 03-10-2008 08:52:24  
I stand corrected. In "2006" at The Dekalb pull you won by 60'. In 2008 you won by 52'. I guess all the guys who pull div. 2 are dummys and none of them can read the track. Looks like great fun to me.



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firefarm

03-10-2008 05:41:33




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to Div. 2 puller, 03-10-2008 00:13:50  
If there were only 2 in Div 2, were you the other tractor? If not, what do you care?



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mh444

03-07-2008 19:05:47




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to jD NUT, 03-07-2008 09:22:20  
Well, Ron they must be talking about you and your 101 Massey Harris, Enter it where you can do the best and keep kickem while they are down they will be OK later. Keep them TALKING



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Mr.Moline

03-07-2008 09:46:12




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to jD NUT, 03-07-2008 09:22:20  
I know several people from my area left early this morning knowing what the weather would be like. I"m going to wait until morning to decide its already started snowing and freezing rain here in southern Ohio.



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willywonka2

03-07-2008 14:49:15




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to Mr.Moline, 03-07-2008 09:46:12  
hey mr moline where r u from



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Div. two puller

03-07-2008 17:29:51




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to willywonka2, 03-07-2008 14:49:15  
I wonder if the guy who"s leading the div. 3 NATPA points in the 4000# and second in the 3750# will be there. He might still be tired from polishing the div. 2 trophy he won in the 3500# [won by 52' over second place, and yes they had a div. 3 3500# class]At the Dekalb pull last weekend.



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supermpuller

03-07-2008 18:27:23




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to Div. two puller, 03-07-2008 17:29:51  
If he made weight and his tires passed whats the beef? In div 2 speed limits level everything out.



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Oldtimer38

03-08-2008 11:16:47




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to supermpuller, 03-07-2008 18:27:23  
I am surprised anyone considers allowing that tractor to run in Div 3, let alone Div 2. The tires are not the issue, the engine block should be looked at very carefully. It is real easy to slip a 308 Hudson or the bigger Chrysler truck engine or Continental engine that was used in the MH 203 into a 101 chassis. Not many people can see the difference from the outside. If the machine was truly Div 2 legal, the engine should be the 217 CID Chrysler or 244 Continental. It is very unusual for a 217 or a 244 to run like this tractor. Don"t get me wrong, it runs very good and I like watching it. I simply question whether it is a Div 2 setup. If the engine is anything other than a 217 or 244, that tractor should be running in a Div. IV class.

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Div. 2 puller.

03-07-2008 19:57:25




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 Re: Tallmadge, Ohio pull (SNOW!!) in reply to supermpuller, 03-07-2008 18:27:23  
I doubt 1/2 mph makes for 52 ft. over the next guy. Look at the tires he runs with NATPA in div3. Top dressed. They're the same ones used at the Dekalb pull. All they cared at Dekalb was wt, hitch ht. and entry being paid. 5 yrs ago they had 35 entries in that class. Last year they had 8. This year they had 3. Now you know why. If your not compeditive in your class all the time, drop down. If you always run at the top in your class , I think it shows poor sportsmanship to drop down at a big pull just to get a trophy.[Last year he won by 60'.

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