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LN

02-24-2008 04:26:47




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I have a governor apart off of an M I have heard people talk about grinding the governor weights down to make them lighter, appproximatey how much should you take off them , should it be off the outside of the weight or the inside , thanks for any help.




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guido

02-29-2008 09:58:14




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 Re: M governor weights in reply to LN, 02-24-2008 04:26:47  
Hey LN.
Governor weights and spring tension are disigned to work to-gather.
You can't modify one with out modifying the other.
They work to-gather for proper engine controll.
That is why you hear some engine surging, modifying just one creates a mismatch and the engine surges. The spring and the weights are in contact at all times and counteract each other throughout the RPM range. When there is a space betwwen them that is what makes the engine surge. I am not familiar with your setup, but I have modified governors for pulling sleds. The governor by design has a droop speed that is controlled by the spring tension. Droop speed is the difference between the engine rpm's at full throttle no load, and high rpm's at full load. Some governors need to keep the droop speed controlled and there is an adjustment for that purpouse. This extra governor setting is needed for generator sets to keep the rpm's at 1800 for true 60 cycle a/c output. A friend of mine has an MM propane and we run it in the 7500 and 8500 Lb. class.
Guido.

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ChadS

02-24-2008 14:02:39




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 Re: M governor weights in reply to LN, 02-24-2008 04:26:47  
Best description, as you hold the weight in your hand, the pin in on the left the weight to the right. (just as it would sit in the governor housing,,, ) grind the right side,, or the side that faces the rear of the tractor. Digital scales are a must have!! Dont really need em,, but best to use em to keep em close. You might have to re adjust the vertical linkage after this proceedure,,, the adjustment needs to pull on the idle side,,,, or adjust the linkage to close the carb. Things operating at a lighter, faster pace, you need to maintain tension on the idle side of the adjustment to keep it idling normally. Otherwise, it might idle a bit higher than it used to before any mods are done. ChadS [email protected]

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ChadS

02-24-2008 05:35:15




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 Re: M governor weights in reply to LN, 02-24-2008 04:26:47  
If you look at the weight itself, you will see what I call, casting flash. Its a line left over from the mold,,, I usually cut them down to that line, and its about half the weight,,, lighter weights VS heavy weights,, 2 weight of 4 weight governors are two diferent setups,, or can be atleast,,,, LOL

2 weight governors let you run the higher rpm ranges with less headaches,,, easier to setup,, easier to tune. More likely a great all around governor,,,, up to 25% over rpm. 4 weight governors, Im no fan of,,,,, but if you run a 10% rpm class,, they do hold the rpm, but its not as easy to tune when you are looking for much over 15% over rpms,,,, they surge when trying to set them up for the higher rpm operation. but put em back to their working operation and they do alright,,, from what I see on the dyno,, they will go over the set rpm, then settle down by dropping the rpm back down a few,,,, 2 weight governors will stay the same, or to what ever you set em to,,,,,

Lighter weights can allow faster operation. with less mass, the governor is allowed to rap up faster in responce time, opening and closing the carb at a faster pace, good for engines with a little more compression, and can use an upgrade to wake it up a little more. the magic spring, increases the spring tension on the weights,,,, the weights have to work harder to force the carb to shut down, so it does operate faster, and keeps the carb held open for a longer period of time. The weights cant overcome the spring tension and still holds the carb open,,,, where in stock parts,, the carb butterfly will close upon rpm drop when under a load that is close to, or stalling the engine during the pull, or in any hard work situation. So it actually closes the carb in stock form,, you dont want this to happen!!!!
What your looking for is consistancy in rpm management, a faster responding governor is a sensitive governor, a slow reacting governor can be sensitive, but sluggish in responce time. Some want that sluggish responce, most dont, but I like a governor that can go beyond its ranges and allows me, as a driver to drive it by the throttle. Over time, the difference between the stock setup, a hopped up 2 weight, or a good 4 weight governor can be clear as day. Experiment is all I can say to try!! But make sure the pins are good, make sure there is no binding, and make sure the carb jets are large enough to compensate for faster responce time,, 99.9% of the tractors I do governor work to, I have to rejet the carb larger to keep up with the rpm responce time improvement. (hope this makes sence) ChadS [email protected]

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LN

02-24-2008 10:07:41




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 Re: M governor weights in reply to ChadS, 02-24-2008 05:35:15  
thanks for the info is very helpful ,do you remove the metal from the outside ( toward the case ) or the inside (toward the shaft )



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mEl

02-24-2008 05:03:43




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 Re: M governor weights in reply to LN, 02-24-2008 04:26:47  
I am not familiar with the Farmall governor but in general I would think the most benefit would be seen by grinding the front of the weight fartherest from the mounting pin as it would have the most leverage on the pin. I will be interested in this discussion as I have never ground a set in a Case and would like you guys input as to why and what result is obtained from doing so, Does the governor become more/less sensitive? Should be a lot of good info coming on this I will be looking forward to the discussion, Thanks in advance guys, mEl

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james rumph

02-24-2008 04:56:50




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 Re: M governor weights in reply to LN, 02-24-2008 04:26:47  

Good question ! I can see making sure you want them the same weight , but making them lighter ! Don't you want the weight [mass] spinning to keep the governor working.

Chadd this sounds like a good one for you .

I like the 2 weight I.H one but others like the 4 weight M&W governor .



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