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dennys carbshop wont help me

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Ed Hodge

02-19-2008 15:07:42




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i bought a dennys ignition sys. im useing a msd 6al box with the ignition sys. i didnt buy the box from them so thay wont tell me how thay are wireing it up. has anyone used there ignition with a msd box???

could some one tell me how the wireing goes??




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Hey ChadBS - Denny Jr

02-29-2008 06:39:01




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
Tell your dad to get off his lazy a$$ and help this guy.



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ChadS

02-29-2008 07:36:41




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Hey ChadBS - Denny Jr, 02-29-2008 06:39:01  
He said, this is more your speed. PEDAL FASTER!!!!



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Ed Hodge

02-21-2008 16:14:07




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
i bought a pertronix coil. im not running the dennys coil this is the only and last time i buy any thing from them

were is a good palce to buy pulling tractor parts???



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Ian Johnsen

02-20-2008 21:04:17




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
If you use pertronix with a coil with less than 2 ohms resistance, you will burn it up. Did it with the .5 ohm flamethrower coil. Also, I would recommend checking out Pertronix's industrial catalog. You can get a complete distributor from them for just a few bucks more than the price of the conversion kit. I think the kit is worthless in a worn out, sloppy old distributor.



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olgray88

02-20-2008 16:44:46




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
for around $10-$12 you can call summit racing and get a msd book from them that shows you how to hook a msd box to darn near everything up to a mule.



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O'ltracpuler

02-20-2008 14:49:11




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
Why are people still buying from dennys?!!! have'nt anyone learned yet that dennys are just in it for the cash they could care less about anything else, i will never buy anything from them even if there the only one out there selling. if ya want REAL performance Gary Baker is the ONLY one you should talk to. heck even marlett(if he ever want to win again) "should" have his motor built by G Baker.

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jd plowboy

02-20-2008 13:32:00




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
i have a MSD 6A box on my moline and i am useing the pertronix ignition and the pertronixs flamethrower 3ohm coil and i have had no problems. this setup helped it out alot. with this coil you do not have to use the resistor



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mlpankey

02-20-2008 11:28:28




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
chads right if youre keeping the rpms low . if youre wanting to twist the thing then the old points has to go and the petronix pickup has to be installed . point bounce is a bad thing. trust me on this one petronix pickup msd 6 box blaster 2 coil =5000 rpms from my little wd any time i want to twist its ears back.



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mlpankey

02-20-2008 11:30:29




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to mlpankey, 02-20-2008 11:28:28  
IF YOU NEED TO CALL ME ILL HELP YOU WIRE IT UP .423 472 7071



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TSinMD

02-20-2008 10:56:58




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
FYI MSD is a very good company and if you call them 99% of the time they will send you the wiring diagrams for FREE!! I have dealt with them directly for the las 30+ years for high performance use.



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yorkie

02-19-2008 19:27:22




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
Don,t buy from denny,s they r heartless I willnever buy from them any more . 1-10 scale they r a zero in my eyes.



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oliver in ohio

02-19-2008 17:47:29




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
first mistake was buying from dennys!second throw away there coil its a p.o.s. call cbs performance in colorado 800-685-1492 order the pertronix coil. good guys to deal with.dennys stuck us once never again.



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770

02-19-2008 18:20:45




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to oliver in ohio, 02-19-2008 17:47:29  
I agree. Running the same set-up as you mention....for over 10 years...no problems.



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Ed Hodge

02-19-2008 18:10:40




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to oliver in ohio, 02-19-2008 17:47:29  
can i use a msd blaster 2 coil in sted??



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Ed Hodge

02-19-2008 18:06:16




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to oliver in ohio, 02-19-2008 17:47:29  
i will never buy anything from them every agen there a%s h**es



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ChadS

02-19-2008 17:14:50




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
Send the electronic IGN back. you can use the points as the trigger device and get the same results then use the white wire.
the magnetic hookup is the two wire plug,,,, One wire reads the magnetic pickup, and this is where Im unclear on,,,
the second wire if its a 12 volt positive + or Hot wire,,, what does it really do???? does the msd power the petronix to be able to send a signal to the msd??? I mean,, the petronix is hot and ground,,(black), ground being the signal wire coming from the distributor,,, and the red was power source,,,, best I can say is to hook everything up except the pickup,, if the MSD has power etc etc,,, with the switch on,,, one of the wires in that two wire plug will be 12 volt+, that gets hooked to the red wire,,, (if its 12 volt+) the black is the actual signal wire,,, (from the petronix) that hooks up to the other wire,, in that plug,,,,, NOW heres the deal I have a problem with,,,,,

if the petronix, if the black wire pulses upon engine rotation,,, then no power wire is even needed to the petronix to trigger the MSD,,,,, just hook up the black wire from the petronix to the white wire,,,, on the msd if that pickup still sends a signal (pulse) with no power to the petronix,,,,thats all the msd needs and wire it normally and nevermind the two wire plug,,,,
If that works with the white wire,, and the petronix,,,

this can reduce the load off the MSD by not having to power both, the unit, the coil and the pickup and not overload the circuits,,,,, but easiest,,,,, the points work great as a trigger,,,,, just unhook the condensor wire, and go with it!!!??? I was thinking it can be done either way,,,,, ,, been a while since ive tried that with a petronix. Hope this helps,, ChadS [email protected]

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Trkr

02-19-2008 17:10:17




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
I,m not for certain but to run an MSD 6 you either need a magnetic pickup distributor or points.I believe the pertronix is already its own hei type ignition.I,m probably wrong,but you don't want to burn anything up. Go to MSD ignition website and download there installation info or call their tech line.As we speak I'm waiting for my MSD 6AL to comeback from El paso for something stupid I did.



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LiL Steve

02-19-2008 17:00:03




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
Go to pertronix.com click on frequently asked questions gives nice diagram of wiring



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JD hauler

02-19-2008 16:32:56




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 15:07:42  
Try to type in MSD install on your search engine, and you should find it, that was where I got my diagram, hopefully your negative ground by now. let me know if this.



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Ed Hodge

02-19-2008 16:59:28




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to JD hauler, 02-19-2008 16:32:56  
i have the install paper with the box but dennys coil is useing a ballast resister in line with the kit that what is trubleing me. do i need the resister your not with the box??? msd said not to use the resister. pertronix doesnt show the resister in line with the kit i dont want to burn out a 75.00 part



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Gary Baker

02-20-2008 10:07:57




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 16:59:28  
Ed, you can use the petronix gust like points. The red wire on the pertonix goes to your ignition switch. The black wire goes to the white wire on the 6AL. Do NOT use a resistor! With a MSD it carries the load so the petronix is only telling it when to fire. Also do NOT use a condenser if you decide to use points. Hope this helps



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JD hauler

02-19-2008 20:24:28




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 16:59:28  
email me, I have the wiring schematic you need.



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Ed Hodge

02-20-2008 03:33:38




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to JD hauler, 02-19-2008 20:24:28  
thanks for your help

[email protected] thanks Ed



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randy hall

02-19-2008 18:28:43




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 16:59:28  
you don't need the resistor with the msd box.



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Crutch

02-19-2008 17:51:54




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Ed Hodge, 02-19-2008 16:59:28  
The coil has no connection to the peritronix pickup. They are isolated thru the MSD box.

We used the peritronix with the MSD and some cheap delco coil laying around the shop. It got a little warm but never stopped working. If it gets hot to touch then to much current is going to the coil. Use a different coil. You will have a wide blue spark that will hurt you before you can get away from it.



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james rumph

02-19-2008 18:09:33




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 Re: dennys carbshop wont help me in reply to Crutch, 02-19-2008 17:51:54  

If a coil is getting hot ,that is what a ballest resister is for !!! MSD supplies them with there products .

All a ballast resister does is drop the voltage to the coil to protect it. It does not in any way effect performance.

It just goes in the + wire to the coil .

All tractor coils have one built in so you don't see them.

If your running a automotive coil with out a ballast resister and pull the ign switch on with out starting it watch out .

It will take about five minutes in which the coil will get smoking hot and if you have electronic ign it will burn down . The pickup coil melts out in grand fashion , trust me on this . I learned this lesson the hard way .

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