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Want to build a WC puller

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moretoys28

11-09-2007 20:06:54




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I am looking at buying a wc to build into a puller. Tractor runs but I want to try and get some cheap horsepower out of it. I am thinking of a wd45 crank, wc pistons, 175 govoner, carb, intake. If I can find these parts resonable. Any other ideas? I have all winter and as time and money allows I am hoping to have it reading for next year.




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mlpankey

11-11-2007 21:36:47




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-09-2007 20:06:54  
look at youre 3 inch head theres apparently 2 versions of that head . one has the plug hole opened up more than the other which centers it up a bit . in my opinion the three inch head with the bigger plug opening is a better head than the 4 inch and heres why rocker arm stands on the three inch head dont break at high rpms and higher valve lift like the four inch does . just my opinion. ive never seen anything that says on out flows the other its always been about where the flame front is.

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Kurt-AllisPuller

11-10-2007 22:05:34




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-09-2007 20:06:54  
Ok I'll try to answer all the questions. First the Gleaner E combine was a 4 cylinder - basically same as the D-17 motor except a few minor differences. Next a 45 crank will fit right in your block with no problems. Its only 1/2" of stroke more which means its gonna come up a 1/4" more and go down a 1/4" more. Honestly I dont know anything about D-17 propane pistons but i will tell you this from my experience. My first motor i built i used Allis 175 pistons which are high compression. I spent a lot of money an them. You can get after market 1/8" over flat top pistons for half the price and get the same amout of compression. Just my experience. Next yes i do recommend a different head. You need to find a "tall" head. They had them on some WD's and all WD45's. You'll know what i mean when you see a tall head compared to yours. The only real difference is the spark plug hole is in the center of the piston for better ignition. This is how i would build a motor if i were you. I would also recommend saving some money for a good set of firestone tires and wider rims to match the tires size. Good luck and feel free for any other questions

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moretoys28

11-10-2007 20:27:52




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-09-2007 20:06:54  
Will the 45 crank in a wc block work with wd flat top pistons or does the pistons come up to high and hit the head or valves? Which would make the most compresion the flat top wd pistons or the d17 propane pistons? Do you need to change heads or are the wc heads ok? What about an 1/8" overbore kit?



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slowsmoke

11-11-2007 12:47:05




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-10-2007 20:27:52  
45 crank works fine with the flat tops. compression around 10/1. some places have rules against the tall head on a WC.



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Phil Munson NY

11-13-2007 10:01:45




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to slowsmoke, 11-11-2007 12:47:05  
More toys:

Check this out. It is about on the money. 45 crank, .125 aluminum flat top overbore pistons and sleeves for the 4" crank; I thought it was about 10.5-1 CR. I balanced the rods and pistons, (slow speeds) never hit the valves, and it do run run. Mucho power for very little. best, Yeoman



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leroy in ne

11-10-2007 20:08:39




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-09-2007 20:06:54  
not real sharp on allis but i beleive D-17 propane sleeves and pistons will fit wc block, gves you a higher compression ratio. also do some checking on tires and wheels this came up localy several years ago it took some arguing and documents to show that a high crop (cane) wc was available from factory with 36 in. wheels not 28's as most were equiped with. IHC F-20 wheels are 36 in. and the same bolt pattern as older wc's

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AC

11-10-2007 15:59:25




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-09-2007 20:06:54  
I have a set of Gleaner 4" crater pistons on rods, like new, out of a very low hour E motor, if you need a set. Sleeves, too...AC..1 269 921 4686



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warwagon

11-10-2007 15:25:28




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-09-2007 20:06:54  
if you are goin to stay with 4 inch bore find some d-17 pistons



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RWWisehart

11-10-2007 09:19:04




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-09-2007 20:06:54  
Can you define cheap.$20.00? 2000.00? I don`t think there is such a thing as cheap in tractor pulling. You may want to take up needel point as a hobby, thats cheap.



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moretoys28

11-10-2007 05:19:51




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-09-2007 20:06:54  
I will have to keep the gleaner E engine in mind and do some searching. I may have located a wd45 engine that runs but the crank needs turned down on one journal, it has a knock. Around here you are only aloud to run I think it is one size over stock tires, so that pretty much limits me to 28" rims. I am not looking to build a super puller or money pit just something that is competitive and could win a few times.

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

11-10-2007 08:06:54




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-10-2007 05:19:51  
I might be wrong but I thought the Gleamer motors were six cylinder Buda and the WC had 4 cylinder motors. It would make a difference in frame length. I think the WD-45 was available with six cylinders.



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Kurt-AllisPuller

11-10-2007 06:53:35




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-10-2007 05:19:51  
Well you may want to check your rules as far as motors. If someone knows what they are looking at they can definately tell the difference between a WC block and a WD45 and or a gleanor block. If they have strict rules you may have to put the 45 crank and pistons in your WC block to save a lot of spite among other pullers.



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Jim Johnson

11-10-2007 06:24:57




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-10-2007 05:19:51  
Famous last saying.



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Kurt-Allis Puller

11-09-2007 21:07:34




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 Re: Want to build a WC puller in reply to moretoys28, 11-09-2007 20:06:54  
A WD45 crank and WD flat top pistons will do that tractor wonders. But if you can find one get a whole motor out of a Gleaner E combine. Most of the engines in those combines were hardly worked so they are in great shape. I run one in my WD with 38" tires and it has more than enough power to run and win in most cases. I sold one to a buddy of mine and he put it in a WC running 28" tires and i dont think there is a track that he cant run 2nd gear on. Just my opinion cuz you can get some money tied up in new pistons, a crank, bearing and so forth.

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