Hillside KY using a dyno???

If you can"t stand a little "heat" on the internet, get out of the business of being a target.

Jeff even has those silly rules about what model tractors can pull in what weight classes as well, which I have always thought was ridiculous. What is "fair" about a WD45 with 225 cubic inches of motor being allowed in a lighter class than an H or a 350 Farmall with only 152 or 175 cubic inches of motor, respectively?

To me it sounds like sour grapes from people who don"t understand why their grandpa"s old wore out tractor that is still running on the rings and bearings that were installed at the factory won"t pull like one with fresh rings and bearings, and maybe new pistons and sleeves, and so forth. The simple truth is, the freshly built motor is always going to make more power than one with forty or fifty years of hard wear and tear on it, period. Either that or they don"t know how to tune an engine. There can be as much as 100% more power available in just the tune up settings you choose. You cannot just build it this year and run it the next ten years without ever turning another bolt and expect to win more than rarely, if ever! I dare say I almost must agree with 666 in his estimation of the issue.

If protecting the still working tractors is truly why he did it, why not just add a class called "Farm Stock Working Tractor", and not allow anything in it that even remotely looks like it did not plow the back forty last fall. No add-on weight bars, wheelie bars and such, all lifts, pumps, PTO"s and so forth must work and hydraulic systems must be full of oil and working. Sounds like a much more reasonable approach to me, and it doesn"t make anyone mad like back when Jeff went to his smaller tire rule in order to run Jim Burfield off, which he accomplished quite nicely I must say, as I was there that day when Jim left in a huff, and as far as I know, he has never been back.

Just to be fair however, I must say Jeff does try really hard, even to the point of one time I saw Jeff make his own brother angry by refusing to let him even hook to the sled since he obviously had tires that were to big for the class limit. If I remember correctly, he was trying to pull 14.9"s in a 13.6 class, but I am a little foggy on the memory. Must be a git"n old...

The one thing I really do like about Jeff is that as he told us one time in Paris, " I don't care how many times or if you go across the scales before you pull but your gonna go right after" I've seen lots of folks go across the scales early then start throwing weights on and never go back across.

Dyno'ing a tractor before a pull,ok. The way I see it if your legal what difference does it make? I jinda like the idea as I know several people who are running Open class tractors in Farm Stock. Of course according to the rules they are "legal" but they sure ain't stock.

On another note if you read this Jeff, I think the Paris club will be getting in touch with you next year, changed the show date to the end of Oct. so it might work better and be a heck of alot cooler!

Like I said originally, I'm TOTALLY legal, but I bet Jeff would toss me out if he puts mine on his dyno, just because I am that rare bird in these days of crate-motor horsepower, someone who KNOWS how to put an engine together to do what I want it to do, AND knows how to then tune it to keep it doing it.

As far as running an open class tractor in farm stock, ANY John Deere that pulls past half track in farm stock is one. (Here go all the JD lovers attacking me next!) ;o)

Just so you all know, my wife pulls JD's, and I have nothing against JD's. In fact, I prefer them!

And yes a Dyno is a good thing. Never beel to a pull where they used one but I don't think that you have to hit the rated HP right on the nose. I'm pretty sure there is a range that you have to be within.