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T COTA

09-12-2007 20:14:09




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Chad what do I need to do to my super m so Ican pull in second gear ? Its a 53 motor rebuilt stock runs real strong has 13 38 tires pulled it in 7500 class she pulled 316 feet but think I could do beter if Icould pull in second .thanks TIM




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ChadS

09-14-2007 07:53:16




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 Re: hey Chad in reply to T COTA, 09-12-2007 20:14:09  
Buy taller tires if your allowed. if your allowed 14.9X38's put em on a 14 inch rim. If you got power in first gear, 14.9's will speed up low gear and probably put a better working load on the engine. Faster axle rpm will help forwards motion, increasing the draft off the hitch, it always has and always will. But, thats why high hp can run away with a win. Hook that same big power tractor up to a deadweight sled and you with your SM and see who out pulls who. Will it sit there and spin, or will it carry the load. Weight placement can beat ground speed when the proper application of strength is allpied to a well balanced lever. Kinda like moving a big ol boulder with a long stick and a 4x4 block of wood. You move the pivot point further away from the load, its harder to lift, closer to the rock and you can probably lift it with one hand. The hitch settings help setthe frame harder to the ground, the act of pulling comes from the balance you get by perfecting weight placement. Overpowering the pivot point, (spinning tires) means you may have some weight to relocate in increase your axle weight. Plant the tires to the ground with weights, when the front gets light you can start moving weight forwards and get the most leverage from your chassis. Spinning wheels, with improved weight placement, you should be able to back the rpm down, let the engine get the tires to take a bite on the track, if your weights are right, and she starts to lug harder and harder, the front end just comes of the ground and it has a working load on the engine, let the chassis do its job and lift up on the sled by the upwards draft the hook point creates. When I run 7500, low gear, with 15.5,s 28X18 drawbar, I have 5 sets of wheel weights on 450 cast centers, I run out of room on the wheel weight brackets, then I have to use suitcase weights on the belly bar, equal amounts on each side, and have up to 150 to move out front. Plant those tires to the ground, make em heavier, 600# more on the wheels sounds like a plan,, what does it weigh empty, and what and where do you put the weights? is this always on the same track? chad

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T COTA

09-13-2007 19:22:15




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 Re: hey Chad in reply to T COTA, 09-12-2007 20:14:09  
Chad thanks for all the great info going to print it and save it .I Guess I should have been more specific .The ones that beat me all pulled faster than I. Did got 4th with a stock super m just tuned good and weighted right seem to have that down .But was beat by a moline ub 1st oliver 88 and a cockshutt 50 deasil the cockshutt only beat me by 6 feet not bad I thought . But like I said they all pulled faster thats ok with the rules up here .So the way I see it more speed more momentem longer draw . Now the problem is not loss of power moveing down the track in 1st had power to spin out any time thats what stoped me at 316 feet .want to try 2nd to get more speed but dont think I got enough low end tork to move the sled with out slipping the cluch too much and ruining it. Need more low end and am prepared to put the money to it but dont want to spend money on things I dont need THANKS TIM

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ChadS

09-13-2007 06:57:45




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 Re: hey Chad in reply to T COTA, 09-12-2007 20:14:09  
What are you pulling on? a 400 ft track? That sounds like a ride that goes on and on. Over 300ft in an antique pull is worth every penny of entry fee. JMHO. Maybe two ways to get it to run second gear if your not powering out now with your 281 ci engine?? If your allowed, maybe widen out the 13.6s rims, make a shorter tire, but a wider tire, will slow down the ground speed by the shorter tire height, might act like it got a shot in the arm with a shorter tire. it would free up some power, enough to run second gear?? I dont know, but it might have a better shot with what engine you have with that setup. That also changes your hitch settings youd have to raise it up more to get it back in rule spec. So that could be something to consider,,, I cant see it hurting... Or, you can throw some money at it,,,, but if the squatted tire trick helps but not enough power,,, you now need some motor work. BUT! How much work do you need to get the power to do what your wanna do? Id say 100 hp would do anything you ask of it in second gear with 13.6's. Lots of ways to get 100hp out of a SM. Of course, your looking at a stroker kit. My recommondation would be a stroker that doesnt exeed the limits of the stock rod length, but large enough ci to have some power to spare. Id say any stroke from 6-3/4 and below (stock is 5.25) is the range to use a stock M-450 rod. and can be built reasonably. The bore size, keep in in the 4.375 bore range or less, to still run in the original block and still have meat in the block to be a strong engine but not leak water in the oil, and last for a while. Ive been thinking of a 4.25 bore X 6.75 stroke for myself to put in my 50 M, Ive done a little home work on it, my opinion is it would make 100 hp on any dyno all day long, and I belive it to make that with a 8060 head, ported, dont know if it would need big valves or not,,, it would be a high compression engine,, so a little work on a 450 head would be the ticket for it to get the most power out of it,,, they are a good flowing cyl head with some port work done. You could throw on a kerosine head, ported out and still do some chores with it, or go to plow days and have a good time and run it all day long. Cams,, well, I belive a 450 cam will run, but will be a low rpm motor, alot of low end power from 540 and below, or 1595 engine rpm and less. But some might disagree, but, what ever works that doesnt hurt power, is positive. It wouldnt be a slouch in second gear on a pulling track at 7500#. Thats my opinion, it does not go beyond the stock realms of the IH engine design and be resonable to build costwise, and have a long happy life work or play. 574-893-7437. Stock rod strokers is bout what we deal with. 100 hp, out of that described, walk in the park. Just depends on how much your looking to spend. ChadS

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