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CHAD S

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08-20-2007 19:14:34




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Here is an update on a few projects. My 460 with the 301 that I use for dead weight on dirt tug pulling is working very well. I put 3500 LBS of weight on it to pull in the 8500 class in first gear. I decided against buying a truck head, it seems to have enough power, I may port my current head out this winter though. Anyways I read through all your posts on tuning up IH six cylinders and your tips have certainly been useful. Thanks, I do have some more questions. A while back I told you I was thinking about building an H hybrid like yours. I finally got all of the parts except for the frame rails. I have a 315 combine with a good engine and a few H's sitting around with bad engines. I am going to make the tractor this winter. At this point I am not too concerned about the sheet metal. I want it to still look like an H though. I am going to cut the H rails and weld pieces in to make them long enough. One question is, is there enough space in between the rails for the motor? How much of the flywheel has to be ground for my H starter to work? What clutch combinations did you use to make it hold up well? How much does your tractor weigh empty? I'll probably use a small car radiator with an electric fan for cooling. Can I just extend the steering shaft or should I rig up a hyraulic type steering system with only hoses? I'm sure im not thinking of everything, but if you have any other ideas or things to consider let me know. Thanks, Josh

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ChadS

08-21-2007 08:44:37




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 Re: CHAD S in reply to bm3501466, 08-20-2007 19:14:34  
On the steering column, I took the steering column out of a IH combine, its sheet metal, pretty sturdy and has the levers from the combine head to use as the throttle. You can take a H or M steering post, drill a larger hole in a spot where you can put a lever thru it, run linkage from the governor back to the lever and you have a dead man throttle. You would have to recut the hood for the exhaust pipe using H or M sheetmetal,, its on the other side.

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ChadS

08-21-2007 08:34:13




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 Re: CHAD S in reply to bm3501466, 08-20-2007 19:14:34  
The H rails are too narrow. Tight against the block. 460 row crop rails is the ticket. Now, if I did it over again, Id have H or M sheetmetal. If I dont get it sold, I may still change it just to see what it would look like. Id think of a M front bolster, which is the same width as the 460 rails, you would have to put some sort of adapter plate to help the frame rails bolt pattern to the M bolster, or redrill the frame rails, etc etc. You can use a H bolster, but its narrower so youd have to shim em out to the rails. 2 good points by using the M front end, 1 is you can use the bigger M radiator, a Hood from a MTA and a gas tank from a M, will bout put it so you wont have to extend the hood. The steering column is nothing more than a stock H or M steering post, with lengthened steering rods to extend down to the front end. On the flywheel, cut the area down on the 460 flywheel, where the starter ring sits, cut the OD down to match the specs on the H flywheel, install a H starter ring, and your set up to run the stock H starter. Clutch, 460, Super H clutch disk, and the H pilot bearing, adjust up the throw out bearing and your ready to go. 460 rear engine plate, bolts right up to a H bellhousing. 460 frame rails make the front engine mounts safe, cause you use the stock parts from a 460, timing cover, and the pulleys off the combine engine. I did my 460 front axle, with hydrostatic steering, so there is no steering linkage, has power steering, and works off a Ford power steering pump. I built a narrow front upper and lower bolster that bolts into the frame rails, and still uses the hyd cyl to steer it, alot lighter than the wide front I have on it now, and I lowered the stance and if put on the tractor, would look sweet. If you were gona deadweight a tractor like this,,, aint much different than a 460,,, HP to weight ratio is almost dead even,,,, even though I can get it light, the power the 6 cyl makes still puts it heavier than Id like to see it. But, at 6000# with this setup,,, take a 3500# tractor up to 6000,,, well, it would have alot of great weight placement for the balance. I watched a 656 utility, and a 656 row crop at a deadweight pull on asphalt 2 weeks ago. They were doing quite well at 8500. the row crop was short on power, but it hooked up and pulled. We, also have to work on wheelie bars in this club. Most have them, just a big ol 3/4 ton leaf spring bolted onto the bottom of the hitch,,, works out great for lining up the chain from the hitch of the tractor and the center pin on the chain on the boat. With stone boat pulling, wheelie bars get in the way of getting a good chopping angle on the sled, they will hit the blocks, so even though they cant be on the axle, they can go right under the hitch and not affect much. In this club, they get good at bouncing the tractor off that leafspring,,,, HAHAHA! Like poetry in slow motion, they pull better with it, and they have some saftey in mind. Chad

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