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High Octane Traction Problem

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stonerock

08-19-2007 17:29:18




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5500 lb class 2-100lb weights on belly bar hanging forward. Front end never come up. 14 psi in tires, soft clay track, spun out two inches deep, alot of dirt in front of sled. I pulled division 2. Division 1 tractor out pulled me with wheel weights on.

6000 lb class 2-100lb weights on belly bar hanging forward. 4-100lb weights on back, front end up 1 ft, spun out two inches deep. plenty of power, ended up last place. tires are inch and a half deep tread, 15.5-38. Are the tires to good? I have 15.5 road worn with 3/4 inch tread. Would that be better?
Thank You,
Steve

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buickanddeere

08-20-2007 18:51:17




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 Re: High Octane Traction Problem in reply to stonerock, 08-19-2007 17:29:18  
Longer drawbar and/or move weights back.



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High Octane

08-20-2007 15:31:04




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 Re: High Octane Traction Problem in reply to stonerock, 08-19-2007 17:29:18  
Going from cast to pressed steel will help for sure. M's with pressed steel can be as light as 4700 with little struggle to get it there. Dynatorques aint a bad tire, but seem to hook up in heavier situations. We got 14.9 dynatorques on dads super m, seems to be a good tire for 6000-7500# farm stock. The weight you get from the rim change will help you put more needed weight in more targeted areas. You do need a wheel weight bracket, some tracks wheel weights help, sometimes the suitcase weights do the trick. I run both, but thats another scenario for another track and a tractor with a different hitch setup too.

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stonerock

08-20-2007 15:02:57




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 Re: High Octane Traction Problem in reply to stonerock, 08-19-2007 17:29:18  
got pressed steel rims goodyear dynatorque tires 9 bolt hubs tires less than 1 inch of tread got cast hubs now how much weight will i lose thank you steve



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High Octane

08-20-2007 07:30:23




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 Re: High Octane Traction Problem in reply to stonerock, 08-19-2007 17:29:18  
At your lightest weight you pull, is the most difficult point to make a frame hook up. Not much weight transfer from the weights you place to give it a good balance transfer. Higher powered tractors have trouble, just blows the tires off it. Focus on trying to get lighter, a target weight would be in the 4600-4750# range. which will give you more weights to place to better aid the frames balance. I like to take as much off the front as I can and put it back on with suitcase weights in a place I belive it will help. I dont think there was much you could do more than what you did. An agressive tire, with a tractor with aggressive power on a track that has the flypaper track, but, the flypaper track is only 2-3 inches deep will rip up everytime and be put infront of the pan. The division one tractor, was less aggressive on the bite of the tire, gripping the track, but not enough to rip it up to put dirt infront of the pan, therefore he wont have the problem that you had with your tractor. Not every track is the same,,, and the best thing you can do is give your self options for weight placement. BUT,,, you cant do this because you dont have enough movable weight to help you out in the lighter classes. So, think of getting it as light as possible, to give you more movable weight. The tires ,you had for this track, Id change em to a tire that has a shorter bar,, or not as tall for the cleat as the ones you have. Reson would be for when the bars of the tires dig in, the taller cleat will dig deeper into the ground,,,, a shorter cleat will dig not as deep, and put the casing of the tire on the ground so it will "float" instead of digging down, it should grip and not dig as much as a tire that has taller cleats. We use this trick on sandy tracks, so we dont put a sand castle infront of the pan and not dig to china, just sit on top and grab hold of the track. This will or should keep your tractor up on top of the track,, keeping your hitch height, higher, less dirt for a restiction and hopefully pull farther. Shoot for getting 500# more off the frame,,,, if your running cast wheels, pressed steel, lighter seat bracket, every accesory you dont need, removed.

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stonerock

08-20-2007 04:33:15




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 Re: High Octane Traction Problem in reply to stonerock, 08-19-2007 17:29:18  
lite weight 5100 no driver hitch is 18 up 20 out thank you steve



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High Octane

08-19-2007 18:57:58




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 Re: High Octane Traction Problem in reply to stonerock, 08-19-2007 17:29:18  
Id say the tires dug the track up, putting too much dirt up infront of the pan. that can stop ya faster than somebody riding the brakes on the sled!! How light can you get the M?



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IH H Puller

08-19-2007 18:32:30




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 Re: High Octane Traction Problem in reply to stonerock, 08-19-2007 17:29:18  
I don't know what kind tractor you have, but it sounds to me like you might have too much air in your tires. I pull an H with 15.5's on 14 in. rims and I run about 6.5 psi. I run up to 5000lbs and get good traction on decent tracks. I don't know if this will work for your tractor, but it's worth a try. I wouldn't drop too much psi to start, but maybe go down to 10 or 11 psi. I hope this is some help.

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experienced puller

08-19-2007 18:49:30




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 Re: High Octane Traction Problem in reply to IH H Puller, 08-19-2007 18:32:30  
I am wondering what kind of hitch are you running? If you pull your hitch in as far as allowed, it will pull down more on the back end...but the lesser tread on the tires will be the ones to run. Stick with the air pressure, if it is a loose track...also, something to think about, if you pull your rear tires way out to the end of the axle, then less dirt will build up behind the sled...try it



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