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Why cant there be a stock tractor pull

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Super 77 puller

08-17-2007 07:08:34




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I would like to know why there isnt a STOCK tractor pull? Why cant i go to the shed, unhook the hay rake from my oliver 77 and go compete with the other STOCK tractors? Every tractor pull ive ever been to theres a farmall M thats all souped up, or a JD thats all souped up. I just want to know why there cant be a stock tractor pull and why every one has to cheat! If they want to build a souped up tractor fine, let them but put them in a different class

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mlpankey

08-21-2007 15:14:57




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
THE REASON IS ALL THE OLIVER PULLERS THINK A 1100 MASSEY HEAD IS STOCK . SO WE WHO DONT PULL OLIVERS HAVE TO LEVEL THE PLAying field



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Super 77 puller

08-22-2007 08:40:30




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to mlpankey, 08-21-2007 15:14:57  
what does mlpankey mean about the massey head? to be honest the only massey i ever saw do any good was a massey 97 the rest they might be as well to leave in the bone yard.



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HLW

08-22-2007 11:10:10




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-22-2007 08:40:30  
He talking about a 1100 Massey gas engine (Waukesha F320G) That head will fit on a 88 maybe some others dont know. Sounds like he has been beaten often by guys with Olivers. If your club has some balls the tractors with different heads, carbs,etc are not a problem. They are external parts and very easily detectable. Its the strokers that are trickey.



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The Dukester

08-20-2007 18:25:43




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
I pull with a pretty healthy but not stroked or excessively overbored (.090)'51 John Deere G that is happy on pump gas and I do fine against Farmall M's, Case DC's, Oliver 88's, Massey 44's and all the rest of my "peers" in the stock group in 1st gear only pulls. I win my share and lose my share. But lately the Farmall 400's, 450's and some Super MTA's with 16.9-38 rear tires and their ultra-slow TA low gear beat all the rest of us pretty regularly. I don't care about the TA use, but using the big tires that weren't even available on these tractors when they were marketed new is stretching the "useless" rules of keeping the pulling field level...This is another example of the fairness and sportsmanship you find these days in "stock" tractor pulling.

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Mn Dave II

08-19-2007 16:46:12




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
1st gear only and no cut tires, hitch 20" and 18" back with 18.4X38 tires max. If you're not at least close under these rules you did a poor job of balancing tractor, tire air pressure or maybe you just stink as a puller??? Maybe you shouldn't have gone to the pull with rules that didn't fit your tractor??? Maybe it's as simple as you tires just won't work on that particular track.

Either hook it up and pull, find a class that fits your tractor or just leave it on the trailer, but QUIT your whinnnnn nnnnn ing!!!1

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G/MAN

08-19-2007 17:50:23




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Mn Dave II, 08-19-2007 16:46:12  
I agree with most of that apart from 1st-gear only. I don't think there's much point to a 1st- gear limit, particularly if there is a big allowance on tire size by allowing up to 18.4-38s. After all, tire size can have a big effect on the overall "gear ratio" and ground speed of a tractor, seeing as 1st-gear road speeds vary so widely from brand to brand, model to model and even within the same model and production year. There were many makes and models that were available with optional gear-ratios for specific gears or even the whole tranmission depending on what they were to be used for. A Deere 720D or 730D was available with something like 4 or 5 different transmission gear-ratio and shift pattern options, for example. I'm not a big fan of speed-limit classes, but even a mph limit seems more "fair" than a 1st-gear only scenario where two tractors could have similar weights and horsepower but way different 1st-gear speeds. If one tractor has a 1st gear enough lower than another that causes him to spin out long before he runs out of power, regardless of weight or tire choice, then he's going to be at a disadvantage from the word go. Speed is rarely all it takes to win. A couple weeks ago I went to a farm pull and pulled my uncle's "stock" IH 766 in the 10,000-lb. "turbo" class, even though I was pulling against tractors with many times more horsepower that were going down the track much faster, with the smallest engine in the class by a fair margin, no turbo and only a turn or two on the screws to raise the high-idle speed and increase the fuel delivery some. I stuck it in low second, left the T-A pulled back and crawled down the track 237 feet, and beat several of the faster and much more powerful tractors in the process. If they'd have had to travel as slow as me, I might have beaten them all when they spun out.

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G/MAN

08-19-2007 16:45:04




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
You can have a stock pull. Take your stock tractor to whatever pull you wish and pull it as-is. You might luck out and not get last place or maybe even win by some miracle. The fact of the matter is that beyond tearing every tractor apart down to the last nut and bolt, there is now way at all to determine what is actually "stock". Aftermarket hop-up parts have been around about as long as tractors themselves, and most weren't designed to win pulls, they were designed to improve in-field performance and efficiency If a guy is pulling his Grandpa's old tractor that has had M&W aftermarket aluminum high-compression pistons in it for 50 years, is he "cheating" if he doesn't tear it down and install stock cast-iron pistons in their place? How about if it's a Deere "G" that was rebuilt in a Deere dealer shop way back when with the pistons and the manifold Deere itself made available to make "G"s more powerful and efficient when burning gasoline? It no longer has the "stock" parts it left the factory with it, but is equipped with OEM replacement parts designed by the company that built it. Is that "cheating"? If you're modifying within the specified rules, it's hardly cheating, and it takes a lot more than a "hot" tractor to win a pull regardless. Of course there's also absolutely no guarantee you'll win or even not get last place if every other tractor there IS stock. Generally speaking, if you think you're interested in pulling but your main worries are about cheaters and even people that are willing to go to more time and expense while staying inside the rules, pulling probably isn't for you and you'll never enjoy it regardless of how successful you are. I've seen guys win their class and still complain because of some little nit-picky detail on a tractor that they beat by 50 feet.

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Oliver Puller

08-19-2007 13:18:54




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
I dont think its coincidence but where I pull when the stock class starts its burger or bathroom time.



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770

08-19-2007 13:42:17




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Oliver Puller, 08-19-2007 13:18:54  
I usually don't get involved in these things, BUT, oh well. Remember, this is just my opinion....When I don't go and we would usually bring two, That's my entry fees for 2 tractors, two classes, I would always bring my wife, kids, and my brother would come to pull the other one. If the neighbor knew I was going, he would take his family.... What about all the gate money??? What about all that "burger" money??? (we have to eat too.) 50/50 split money??? Who suffers? Sounds like the clubs, volunteer fire halls, etc...just because the "tech person" is afraid to tell his buddy that he can't pull his 560 with an 806 motor in the 4500 lb stock class? Remember, my opinion. Just look in the stands..... .AND, I just can't undestand how that person would feel good winning, knowing he shouldn't be in that class. If people don't get to enjoy and pull in the stock classes, why should anyone ever expect them to get "hooked" and move up to the "Non bathroom" classes?

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turbos10

08-19-2007 10:13:42




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
For me the stock tractors are just boring and I like a challenge. I dont even have a class to pull my turbo M in, but it is fun to tinker with. I did not really build it to win, but more of a challenge to see how much you could get out of an M with original block and such.



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havvey

08-19-2007 08:37:00




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
what gets me is the years, a 1960 oliver 880 pulling agaist a 1930 15-30 mccormick. some clubs break it down by years, 1930's 1940's etc.



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Mopower

08-21-2007 08:04:53




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to havvey, 08-19-2007 08:37:00  
We used to split our 3.0 mph at 1940. Then we created Barnyard Class for stock tractors up to 1960 and lumped them together. Most stock newer tractors cannot match the balance and versatility of an old one with no hydraulics, pto, etc. Plus our speed limit is 2.5 in stock. Dead weight classes are split at 1942.



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IH Super H puller

08-18-2007 20:08:25




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
Ya guys, i agree, it just gets to be no fun when you pull 30 feet short of a tractor that spins out 2 gears up from where you power out...it just takes the fun out of pulling, i guess...but some guys just HAVE to win i guess. I do have to say it is fun to win, and that is partly why you pull, dont give me this good ol" boy stuff, that we dont pull to win, because you know we do HAVE to win once in a while, if you dont, you"re not going to have fun...its like sports athletes, if your not good at all you"re not going to have fun. Winning and having fun are interchangable.

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770

08-18-2007 11:39:33




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
I know I will get bashed....Here goes... I my area, I all but quit going to pulls. My "stock" tractors are about 10-15 horse over "stock". `I can't even come close to competing in the stock classes. What gets people is 560's with 806 motors, WD45's with combine motors, 77's with 88 motors, those molines with TONS of cubic inch... turbos??? After a while, it takes the fun out of it. In the past 4 or 5 years, about 4 local pulls closed shop because of declining tractor turnouts. People get fed up, no one says anything, so numbers drop. It's too bad really, because the vast majority of pullers are great people that kinda know what goes and what doesn't, for example M&W's in my 77 trying to pull against a tractor with over 400 cubes and stripped right down...in a 4500 lb stock class. Just my opinion, and I must not be the only one. 10 years ago you would see over 30 tractors in the 4500-5500. Now, maybe 10 or 12?

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Luther

08-18-2007 07:55:38




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
Also I'am on my way to my 20th trophy this year with my oliver 77 Stock tractor



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Luther

08-18-2007 07:53:28




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
We had that same deal where I pull . So the rule is 1st gear only. Pulling a stone boat makes the big horse power tractors go home early.



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utupuller

08-17-2007 20:10:40




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
my MM is stock enough for "stock" classes but built enough to be competitive. I pull about 6 a year and average 1 trophy a year, this is my 4 year. Like on gentlemen said there are very few stock anymore. The tractor got wore out and rebuilt 20 years ago its stock to the owner but not by original standard. I have beaten 80 hp JD G's and been beaten by close to stock farmalls. I do it for the love of the old machines actually getting to be used instead of sitting in someones shed never running again. My daughter (who starts Kindergarten in 2 weeks) when asked what she wants to do when she grows up said "pull tractors like my dad does" Can you give a better reason to be a tractor puller???

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Brian IH

08-17-2007 16:02:08




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
In my area there is a class for plain stock or show tractors.The rules are simple no pulling hitchs stock rpms no over sized tires.Just plain stock.Some groups even want to see cow manure on the hitch.Guees what? Nobody ever shows up for this class.



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Mopower

08-21-2007 08:23:55




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Brian IH, 08-17-2007 16:02:08  
We created a class like this. It saved our club! A couple years later we added an 18.4 full cut tire class. Increased our hooks again! Now almost any tractor can pull with us. Both stock and mod are popular. It depends on the area, but we had a demand for both types.



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08-17-2007 14:57:08




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
The word Stock is in the eyes of the owner, for instance I want to pull against you with a 1935 JD A, on kerosene(stock fuel) the wheels are steel(came from factory with) we will be pulling at my local Fair horse arena,very sandy very little track work. We are both stock,are things still equal? Rules are just politics.



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Eric W

08-17-2007 13:08:23




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
Don"t tell me you don"t know anybody that farms with an M&W kit or power block in their tractor, but has never been to a tractor pull. Farmers have been "souping" them up as long as they been building them. As for pulling its like this; I"m fat and slow why can"t I play in the NBA?



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JohnDeere2Cylinder

08-17-2007 11:33:35




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
Here in Wisconsin we have a lot of Pure Stock tractor pulls. We use a dyno to keep everyone honest. Some won't even allow weight brackets or any changes to the hitch or tires or rims. You can find a schedule at http://www.AntiqueHookers.com. We also have paced and unpaced antique and farm classes. Something for every tractor. One of my last pulls had 293 tractors hooking in 45 classes on a Sunday.

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older puller

08-17-2007 08:55:09




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
77, because of a little thing called "competition". Here's an example of an "innocent cheater" who wants to pull the stock class. So you rebuild your engine because it's worn out, and you install 0.045" pistons, and give it a 3 angle valve job, while you are in there, you do a little porting - heck you're there anyway. So, to make sure everything mates up right, you mill 0.100 off the block and head to get a good surface. Your tractor isn't stock any more... Sounds like trivial things to do, but let's see here...

1. You've raised the cubic inches of the motor (bore increase by 0.045")
2. You've raised the compression (decking the block and head)
3. You've increased the flow (innocent mods to the head)
4. Maybe you even put high compression LP pistons in there because you found a good used set cheap.

In your mind, it's still stock, but in reality, it's not. As Mopower said, as you get down in classes, the rules tend to week out the souped up tractors. at 2.5MPH, most stock tractors won't power out in the light classes. It's not hard to spot a tractor that's obviously souped up. When the guys in low classes are playing with the throttle to keep below the speed limit, and when they start to spin, just open it up and let it eat, that you know they've got more under the hood. People will continue to stuff 88 motors in 77's, Gleaners in WD's, Powerblocks in Deeres, etc, until they get caught.

There's a place for stock tractors, called parades, and those aren't even stock, most of them have been repainted, etc...

The Road worn/cut tire debate will go on forever. All it takes to stop that is a 2-3 man committee at each club with some b@lls to stand up and tell his buddy that his tires aren't legal.

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G/MAN

08-19-2007 17:32:05




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to older puller, 08-17-2007 08:55:09  
If common repairs, rebuilding and parts replacements that are done over the course of a tractor's working life are to be considered "modifications", then it's highly unlikely that there is a 100% "stock" antique tractor to be found, be it at a pull, parade, show or in the field. If that's your definition, then even substituting a different brand and heat range of spark plug and gapping it a little wider is a "modification" and will make the tractor not longer stock. Don't foo-foo that - spark plug heat range and gap can easily affect power output. How many tractors are running with plugs that are identical to what they were built with? As for cylinder overbores, that's kind of a hollow argument, too. Overboring cylinders was done to increase the service life of cylinder blocks long before it was done to increase displacement, and yes there is a displacement increase with any overbore, but with any reasonable overbore, the actual displacement increase is minimal as a percentage of total displacement. Taking a 412.5 stock JD "G" out .045" increases displacement by about 6 cubic inches, or about 1.45%. Even a "big" .125" overbore leaves you at 429.5 cid, which is still only about a 6.5% displacement increase. Is that worth tearing down an otherwise sound engine, dropping $400 plus on new aluminum pistons or tracking down a set of .045" over "stock" Deere cast-iron pistons or a NOS or good used standard-bore block, and paying for machine work and additional parts in order to gain those few extra cubes and a nominal horsepower increase that probably won't even show up on a dyno? And if it DID result in a measurable and repeatable horsepower increase, is it all due to the displacement increase, or was the ring seal improved substantially, maybe even over what the factory achieved when the tractor was new, with a fresh bore and new rings? Heck, seems like even normal cylinder wear results in slightly oversized bores and an increase in displacement. Shall tractors with worn-out stock cylinder bores, pistons and rings be outlawed in "stock" classed because they have more displacement than they had when new? As for decking blocks and heads just to true the surfaces, I've never seen any warped so badly to require .100" of material to be removed, and I don't know of a decent machinist that would ever do so unless specifically asked to. Replacing worn-out valve seats and increasing valve protrusion, or replacing the valves themselves if they happen to be of a slightly different design with more material above the seat will all decrease chamber volume and increase compression. So do thinner-than-stock head gaskets, so does a simple cylinder head rebuild WITHOUT porting and polishing constitute a modification that should make the tractor non-stock? Should a tractor be DQed if it has an aftermarket "stock" head gasket that's slightly thinner than the factory gasket? How about "factory" performance-enhancing parts, like genuine Deere hi-comp "gasoline" pistons and cold manifolds for a "G"? They're Deere part-numbered parts from the OEM and are specifically designed for that tractor in order to increase performance, so are they stock or not? How about putting gasoline pistons in an otherwise stock "A" that left the factory as an all-fuel tractor. Those are stock parts that were being installed on tractors the same day the all-fuel tractors were built in the same factory on the same line, but are they not "stock" because the tractor didn't come with them? As for Power-Blocks, they're legal as stock replacement parts in many areas, because they were initially made to improve performance of field tractors and were sold on that basis, so most of the time, there's no way to "catch" a guy cheating if the part is legal. And if they're NOT legal, they're pretty darn easy to spot and identify. I doubt there are many guys running Power-Blocks and are "cheating" in a "stock" class where Power-Blocks are illegal and are getting away with it, at least if anyone else at the pull has much of a clue. I'm playing devil's advocate and a lot of this is nit-picky stuff, but the bottom line is that I've never seen a "stock" antique tractor in my life, and you'll never get the kind of rules in place, the necessary steps to enforce them or pullers willing to adhere to them, so you either pull in "stock" classes against whatever else is there and can't be proved otherwise and take whatever you end up with, or you sit on the side of the track and watch. When you get down to it, is it really that embarassing to get beat by some real, classless cheater that wants a $3 trophy bad enough to go to all sorts of trouble and expense in order to win it? I don't think so, and people that do cheat like that are more worthy of pity than disdain.

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WTW

08-17-2007 10:34:03




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to older puller, 08-17-2007 08:55:09  
Very well said and so very true. I found the best place for my stock tractors (And I do Have Them Too) is parades and plowing matches. If the stock tractor don't have enough power to pull the plow get a smaller plow or keep that one for the parade. If people really want to pull stock tractors and expect to have the same to pull against there can be no competition factor or winnings. Just a participants ribbon or something. As soon as there is winnings involved even though it may just be for bragging rights there will be modifications whether it be big or small. As I have said before there is really no such thing as a competitive "stock" pulling tractor. MHO

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Jack a

08-17-2007 13:35:08




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to WTW, 08-17-2007 10:34:03  
Then why call a stock class "stock"?



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WTW

08-17-2007 14:16:35




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Jack a, 08-17-2007 13:35:08  
Good Question? Maybe the same reason they call "stock" car racing what they do.



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Jack a

08-22-2007 06:25:51




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to WTW, 08-17-2007 14:16:35  
I see but when a club (like mine) makes rules that specifically state that the farm stock shall not be modified in anyway except for weight brackets and safety equipment then that should be adhered to. I don't know what the rules state for other clubs though and in fact I quit our club 5 or 6 years ago because the club officers were letting certain pullers get by. For example in the classic class (where there are certain modifications allowed but no spacer blocks allowed) a puller showed up with a spacer block in bright aluminum. He did that to make a point because he noticed earlier in the season that the club president was running a spacer block that he disguised. The club officers met for over an hour before the pull was allowed to begin and decided that for the rest of the year those that already had spacer blocks installed could run but no one else could do so because they hadn't previously pulled using a spacer block. It was the craziest ruling I ever heard of. I should have quit then but I was in the farm stock class and it didn't affect me. Later the same type of bull happened when they allowed modified tractors to pull in the farm stock as long as they used a stock drawbar and tires. So I do not pull any longer. I DON'T break the rules and can't afford to even if I wanted. Rant over.

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RichB

08-17-2007 08:42:30




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
Like Mopower says...speed limit....no faster than 3MPH.Makes no difference hom much HP you have.More power is usually a drawback.Thats how we do it here...it works as long as the speed limit is enforced.



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Mopower

08-17-2007 08:21:50




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
Our Michigan club (CAFPC)offers its "Barnyard Class" At most, there are a few running overbore rebuild kits. It has proved very very popular. The rules go as ar as they can without running a dyno on every tractor. Often times it is hard to regulate those refered to as "cheaters" without disassembling and dynoing every engine. We simply keep a low speed limit and keep certain aspects of the tractor close enough to "the book" as to make it too inconvenient for the bigger power tractors to try and sneak in.

2.5 mph
-tire size = one size over factory
-rim width must be factory
-no cut tires
-road worn tires subject to inspection
-we stress no stroker cranks but hard to enforce
-manifold carb governor block head etc all in parts book for that model/year -complete stock hitch
-if not produced with sheet metal wheels, don't use em ..and so on

In NATPA I believe it would be called division I. I don't know how modified some of those get.

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Smokin Joe

08-17-2007 08:11:15




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
At every pull around here we have classes just for you. They are called "PURE STOCK" classes, where they check the tractors rpm's and hp. At many pulls your not able to use any add on weights unless they are wheel weights in the PURE STOCK class. Many of these tractors are not stripped down because they are taken back to the farm and used the next day on the manure spreader, hay rake, etc. It is a very competitive class and we dont see the same tractor win each week. Where are you from?

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als660

08-17-2007 07:19:17




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Super 77 puller, 08-17-2007 07:08:34  
Get everyone to follow the rules!!!!! !!!!! !!
i agree but some people have to win .
I would see no fun in beating stock tractors with a mod. tractor, Iam usally trying to beat mod. tractors with a stocker.



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Buster

08-17-2007 08:06:58




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to als660, 08-17-2007 07:19:17  
That's why I quite pulling, invest all that money for a plastic trophy?



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Mopower

08-17-2007 08:48:43




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Buster, 08-17-2007 08:06:58  
If that was the only reason to compete, I would have never become a tractor puller.



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RichB

08-17-2007 11:46:17




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Mopower, 08-17-2007 08:48:43  
AMEN Mopower,Its not for the plastic trophy or to win money.Its about having fun,being with friends and just having a general good time.I have enhanced antique tractors AND stock tractors they are both FUN to pull.People need to realize its not all about winning....Yea if you win great but my main focus is having a good time and just being fortunate enough to be able to pull,Some people dont even get the opportunity to pull.The greatest reward I can get from tractor pulling is to see young kids become interested and get to participate in a pull,WAY better than any trophy OR money I could win. Just my 2 cents

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Brad in WI

08-17-2007 13:41:25




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to RichB, 08-17-2007 11:46:17  
I agree with you 100% about just being with friends and having a good time. Have you ever pulled with 15 tractors over 85 HP and you try to compete with 35 HP cause that is the weight you are at. I can barely move the sled and they are pulling it over 200 ft. I enjoy pulling very much and would love to go to every one I can find, but to go and look stupid I can do with out. Now I just go and watch and visit with my many pulling friends and help them out when necessary. Maybe in your area you have different classes for different tractors. Where I am at a 5000 lb tractor pulls against another of the same size regardless of year or hp.

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WTW

08-17-2007 10:39:16




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to Mopower, 08-17-2007 08:48:43  
Good words from a true tractor puller! You got my "That A Boy" for the day. I agree 100% on your remark. There is allot more to tractor pulling than just winning. DW



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02XLT4X4

08-17-2007 14:50:29




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to WTW, 08-17-2007 10:39:16  
It is nice to at least be competitive though, it gets kind of old to burn $80 in gas and get beat by at least 10 tractors that are stock, wink wink.



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6077

08-18-2007 06:47:55




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to 02XLT4X4, 08-17-2007 14:50:29  
it really said. because the true farmer like this guy is the one who started it. they just wanted to have a little fun. now u got all the city farmers who got money and wanna rev there tractors up. witch is fine but there should be differnt classes. and most class dont have complete stock tractors.



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don g

08-18-2007 07:59:20




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 Re: Why cant there be a stock tractor pull in reply to 6077, 08-18-2007 06:47:55  
i agree with you.Last pull i was in there was 8 tractors.Six of us pulled 220 to 226 feet while the other 2 stock tractors pulled 350 with fire coming out of exhaust pipes.How about putting all entrants on a dyno witha 10% over stock hp limit and same in rpms.That way it then becomes a pull of technique IE tire pressure,reading track conditions, etc its a hell of a lot more to win by and inch or lose by an inch to another stocker than to be blown out of the water by the other guy.Hell if all he is after is that 3 dollar plastic trophy he can have some of my old bowling trophies.They are just as worthless

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