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Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals

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Ol Gray A

08-04-2007 18:30:26




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Flyer and rules are posted at www.meangreenpulling.com
Please note that we are requiring side shields on all modified tractors ths year.
I'll let you guys know when you can start making your reservations.
Haywood Wilson
Secretary Mean Green Pulling




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Tunica Q

08-06-2007 14:57:50




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Ol Gray A, 08-04-2007 18:30:26  
Gray, I'm not real crazy about driving 800 miles to find out that my tractor is not legal. You wanna clarify that side shield thing? I think enough people have hinted at it.

Material, thickness, how big can the holes/slots be. What the test criteria is. As mentioned before, are Deere's treated differently (the engines are WAAAY different).

Thanks for clarifying



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PP

08-07-2007 07:55:15




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Tunica Q, 08-06-2007 14:57:50  
They are not going to give any specifications for the same reason other organizations do not give them on wheelie bars and shields. In the event something did happen with there so called specified safety equipment. The organization could/would be held liable because they specified how the safety equipment had to be. Plain and simple, it opens them up to a possible liability law suit. So its just allot less liable to say you got to have it and not how to have it.

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Lamont

08-06-2007 14:28:14




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Ol Gray A, 08-04-2007 18:30:26  
Sounds like someone might want to take a long hard(en) look at the rules again. Wedding receptions usually don't go over too well with turds in the punch bowl.



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Past Puller

08-06-2007 11:39:03




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Ol Gray A, 08-04-2007 18:30:26  
If Mean Green was truly concerned about safety they would take a hard look at enforcing safe wheelie bars and do something that would actually be a safety issue. With the short sled chain they use and the many tractors I have seen there with short wheelie bar lengths (bars that don't extend outside the circle of the rear tire) that are nonfunctional and nothing more than decoration. Maybe that's all they want for side shields too, decoration? Some idiot behind some insurance desk probably needed a ego trip and wanted to push his authority. Any one that knows antique tractor pulling knows that side shields on some models are no value. I suppose if you pull a John Deere the operator will have to wear a armored suit being the side shields do nothing for them. Maybe in case the carburetor blows up on these tractors it will be of some value. Can't say I ever heard that happening. If they kept the RPM down where antiques should be running they would not need this rule. I got to agree with the other post and think the results of this one may effect entry numbers. They may have to go back to a one or two day event. I know of one guy for sure that is not going to put side shields on his division three tractors for Tunica or any other associations. They won't miss me but they might miss allot of us!

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Eddie Haskell

08-06-2007 11:56:16




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Past Puller, 08-06-2007 11:39:03  
You sound like someone who is very familiar with deere tractors, are you?



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Thinking

08-06-2007 07:56:56




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Ol Gray A, 08-04-2007 18:30:26  
Didn't the payout used to be 50% plus added money in select classes???



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savsmm

08-05-2007 18:40:16




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Ol Gray A, 08-04-2007 18:30:26  
looks to me like this rule will either reduce the number of tractors going to this pull (how many 4 mph tractors have 'safety side shields'), or cause more people to complain/agrue about rules because of the inabilitiy to inforce the intent of the rule....

as mentioned in other posts, no specs, etc were given....my stock MM U has factory "side shields" and by rule they will work...or will they...

the rule doesn't say anything about what the shields have to be, cover, etc, so any factory tin work should pass, as long as it has something on the side.

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T.G.

08-05-2007 13:06:56




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Ol Gray A, 08-04-2007 18:30:26  
My question is will the modified tractors(with sheilds)still get to pull in farmstock classes? After changing rear tires?Thanks T.G.



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tunica Q

08-04-2007 18:53:10




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Ol Gray A, 08-04-2007 18:30:26  
"Requiring side shields in the Modified classes" - as in everything from 4MPH and up, or just the 8 & 12?



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Ol Gray A

08-05-2007 05:36:24




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to tunica Q, 08-04-2007 18:53:10  
That is correct. everything!!!!! !



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Tunica Q

08-05-2007 08:52:18




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Ol Gray A, 08-05-2007 05:36:24  
So are there specifications on the side shields? Material, thickness, how big can the holes/slots be? You're saying no shields, no hook?



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Lamont

08-05-2007 12:43:04




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Tunica Q, 08-05-2007 08:52:18  
This is copied straight off the Mean Green Pulling site and pasted here. Scroll all the way to the bottom and read the VERY LAST LINE aloud to yourself 10 times.

RULES

FARMSTOCK I CLASSES (3 MPH any gear)
Pre-1960 tractors with stock engines. Hang on weights are allowed with same hitch height and weight locations as modified classes. No cut or intentionally altered tires...Radials allowed...Maximum tire size: 16.9 X 38...10% over stock RPM allowance. Wheelie bars not required but recommended.

FARMSTOCK II CLASSES (3-1/2 MPH any gear)
Pre-1960 Tractors with stock engines...Top cut tires allowed...Maximum tire size: 16.9 X 38 up to and including 6500#...18.4 X 38 for all other weight divisions...Radials allowed...Hang on weights permitted...10% over stock RPM allowed...Wheelie bars and break-away switches are mandatory...Hitch height and weight locations are same as modified classes.

MODIFIED CLASSES (4 MPH any gear)
Pre-1960 Tractors with internal engine modifications...Spacer plates, girdles, power blocks, 12 port heads...800 heads and jugs are allowed... All parts must be of tractor origin...18.4 X 38 max. tire size...any cut, any rim width...no duals...Radials allowed...Weights: 11' from center of rear axle to furthest point of front weights...Rear weights must not extend beyond rear tires...20% over stock RPM...4 MPH Max and 8 MPH Max...20" draw bar height, 18" back from rear axle...Wheelie bars & breakaway switches are mandatory..No alcohol, no nitrous, no turbos, no blowers.

MODIFIED CLASS (8 MPH &12 MPH any gear)
Same as above modified classes except 30% over stock RPM is allowed.

NO V-8 ENGINES except for 8-N Fords with "Funk" conversion kit.

ALL CLASSES
Any single agricultural type carburetor with the same number of barrels, throats and draft direction as originally manufactured is allowed....Speed limits begin when any part (includes weights and brackets) of a tractor passes the orange cone at � track.

Tractors with side shields may be inspected at the discretion of track officials. Refusal to remove shields upon a request by an official will result in disqualification and forfeiture of all entry fees.

Protests and disputes must be made before the end of the class in which the issue occurred. Protestors tractor will be examined first. Then and only then will the protested tractor be checked.

THE FIRST PULLER in all classes may �throw out� his first pull and request a re-pull provided the first was deemed legal. He must make the request and re-pull immediately following the first pull and before leaving the track. Weights may be moved from front to rear or rear to front but no additional weights may be added. Drawbar height must not exceed 20" after any adjustments and may be checked by officials prior to the re-pull. The re-pull cannot be delayed until later in the pulling order. The results of the second pull will become the official record for the pull even if it should be a disqualification or of a shorter distance.

PAYOUTS
Unless stated otherwise, payback will be 40% to the top five places with added money in all classes. Any monies or trophies not claimed within thirty (30) days shall become the property of and deposited to the account of The Mean Green Pulling Team.

Random rpm checks at Tunica. Anyone at anytime, whether protested or not. Can be done by any club member. Will be someone appointed to do this.

IH truck motors ok, If tractor came with 4 cylinders it must still have 4 cylinders, but cannot pull in stock classes if it not the original motor.

Payback 5 places with minimum of 10 entries in class

Tires: 18.4 are 18.4 even if less than 38 in diameter.

Do not pull sled or any part of tractor thru door of building. Result in a DQ

If sled malfunctions no changes may be made to tractor

Any Member may question a tractor

40 lbs weight variance

ALL MODIFIED TRACTORS MUST HAVE SIDE Shields

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Tunica Q

08-05-2007 15:47:33




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Lamont, 08-05-2007 12:43:04  
Lamont - The question was "what are the specs for the side shields?". A Division III tractor doesn't have side shields unless he's trying to hide something. So, it looks like a Bugs Bunny bedsheet will meet the requirements. Read that last line 11 times. It doesn't specify the actual function of the side shield, just that you have to have it.



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Lamont

08-05-2007 20:08:02




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Tunica Q, 08-05-2007 15:47:33  
That was the point I was trying to get across quietly. It says side shields. I wouldn't ask too many questions. It's sort of a silly rule anyway if it's for safety. How many side shields do you think will be built out of material thick enough to stop a flying cam lobe or rod? The side shields that I've seen, I could knock a hole in them with a screwdriver - maybe a clawhammer on some of the thickest ones. They're jokes for safety.

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Jeff Oliver

08-05-2007 18:38:22




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Tunica Q, 08-05-2007 15:47:33  
I am by no means an expert here but I am thinking that they are wanting to side shields to be thick enough to stop or at least really slow down parts is something decides to grenade.

I guess if you want thin sheet metal and don't care anything about safety then according to the way the rules are written that will work. Personally I like safety.

As for the Modifieds swapping tires and running in Farm Stock, personally I think anyone wanting to do that isn't much of a person. It's legal cheating period. But if beating stock tractors with a modified one is what it takes to get you happy then go for it. Heck i pull farm Stock there and know when I go in I am making a donation because of people like you. Luckily I am there to have a good time which by the way I do!

Lamont,what you bringng this year? Got my old 88 again and thinking of bringing a A that we got since it whooped my butt all last year! LOL!!!!

See ya'll in a few months!!!

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T.G.

08-05-2007 21:11:02




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Jeff Oliver, 08-05-2007 18:38:22  
jeff,I just asked the qeustion,I to don't agree with modifies going into farmstock. T.G.



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Lamont

08-05-2007 20:12:42




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Jeff Oliver, 08-05-2007 18:38:22  
I'm gonna try to have my DC down there. It'll be strictly Farmstock I 5500lb and 6500lb. I don't think there's any way it'll make 4500lb. That big weight in the driver's seat kills the lightweight classes.



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confuzed

08-07-2007 15:42:39




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to Lamont, 08-05-2007 20:12:42  
that should answer a lot ??? d.c. case



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Lamont

08-07-2007 16:02:36




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 Re: Tunica,Ms Southern Nationals in reply to confuzed, 08-07-2007 15:42:39  
VERY nice!!! You managed to screw up spelling, grammar, AND punctuation. School starts in about 2 weeks. You should try it.



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