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Frank Y.

08-02-2007 21:06:53




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We have a M Farmall 8-1 comp. 4 1/4 pistons stock cam with a 806 card bottom with the 806 venturi rebored throttle bore of the M carb to take the 806 butterfly. It idles fine and It is ok at 1/2 throttle or above but in between it runs lean. Do I have to big of a venturi or something else.How can I tell?




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D Slater

08-03-2007 16:49:38




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 Re: Venturi size in reply to Frank Y., 08-02-2007 21:06:53  
Are you saying the problem is between idle and 1/2 throttle or between 1/2 and wide open? Do you have a single or double venturi? Single will look like the M only bigger. Are you using the M throttle shaft with slot in it and front throttle shaft bushing with hole? May have some ideas to try, but without being there with a combination like that it will be hard to say. If your M is not stroked the venturi may be to big. Don't know the RPMs your running, manifold, head etc. Also if stock M cam is used you have room for improvment.

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Frank Y.

08-03-2007 21:49:53




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 Re: Venturi size in reply to D Slater, 08-03-2007 16:49:38  
D Slater I have a single venturi. M throttle shaft. I do not know what you are talking about on the front throttle shaft bushing. The problem is between ilde and 1/2 throttle. The M is not stroked it has the stock M cam and it runs aroung 3000 RPM. Thanks for your reply !!



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D Slater

08-04-2007 14:11:27




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 Re: Venturi size in reply to Frank Y., 08-03-2007 21:49:53  
If its rich enough wide open and the problem happens when lugged down pulling I can only guess the venturi is to big and when air velosity drops at lower RPM it looses suction to pull fuel from main discharge nozzle if its actualy lean. Slot in throttle shaft on M is just to front of butterfly and inside the shaft bushing. A passage can be plugged to stop air flow through it and richen things up off idle, but it has to be plugged up inside hole a ways and drilled back out if it hurts instead of helps problem. You could just put a shaft without slot in it from a 100 or 50 series gas carb and see if it helps,long as bushing is good that will stop most air passing through to see if it helps. This is just suggestion to richen off idle mixture if that is the problem and will also effect wide open some. No promises. Also does your venturi have numbers on it.

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ChadS

08-03-2007 17:35:54




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 Re: Venturi size in reply to D Slater, 08-03-2007 16:49:38  
Dave birngs an interesting point,,, the M carb, the throttle shaft has a notch cut in it. When the carb is open, it either shuts this passage down, or opens it up by thottle postition. The later carbs used on a 400-450 carb, dont have this slot, so yes, check the shaft if it has this notch. I belive its too big on the venturi size. Drop back to a 27. Since the throttle body is bored to 1-3/8, the smaller venturi will act like it has a 29 in it. I belive that would wake it up. Cyl pressure is important, and is the best way to tell, you do want bigger than stock, but you dont need too big. Chad

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Frank Y.

08-03-2007 21:58:08




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 Re: Venturi size in reply to ChadS, 08-03-2007 17:35:54  
Chad S What do mean by venturi siz 27 or 29. Cylinder pressure ?? Notch in throttle ??



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ChadS

08-07-2007 09:49:08




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 Re: Venturi size in reply to Frank Y., 08-03-2007 21:58:08  
The venturi sits in the middle of the carb bowl, hour glass shaped on the inside. They have a 2 digit code casted into the very bottom of the venturi. Example is #27 thats measured in 27/32 of an inch. #29 is 29/32 and so on and so on. To find ou the actual size, divide the 27 into the 32 and that comes out to the bore size of the venturi. Cyl pressure,,, higher is best, but here is what you can see by taking a compression test. Remove the spark plugs, open up the throttle all the way, install the guage into the spark plug hole, and crank the starter. Should have full reading after 5-7 cranks. Average is 100-135 psi Good is 140-165 psi, great is 165 to 200 psi, and over 200 psi is considered excellent for making power. If your 298ci motor is 160 psi or better, would be 70 hp prety easy on a pto dyno. You did not mention before you were turning it at 3000rpm,,,, no way to measure it at 3000 rpm on a pto dyno. I still say a 27 wit the big bore carb you have should make a difference,,, but think of a cam grind if its still the stock M cam. A cam spec with a rpm target in mind, tried tested and true would be the next step. 450 cam would be good up to 2300rpm. Chad

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