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G/MAN

05-19-2007 21:26:54




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I was just curious if you're willing to paint corn growers with the same brush you're painting big oil with. Last I checked, per-bushel corn prices have more than doubled within the last year. Since diesel fuel prices have actually DROPPED while gas prices have risen, that would mean that a corn farmer can pretty much expect to produce this year's crop for the same cost or less than last years, all else being equal. And since prices have more than doubled, so therefore will his profits this year. Is that "excessive"? I don't believe Exxon-Mobil is making twice as much this year as last... And no, don't accuse me of being "anti-farmer". That's not what this is about. I fix farm equipment for a living, 90% of my family is involved in production agriculture of one sort of another, as is the majority of my friends. I'm about as pro-farmer as you can get. Let's see you justify your opinion on what excessive profits in one industry are when compared to another industry.

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G/MAN

05-20-2007 11:00:27




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 Re: Hey Lamont... in reply to Lamont, 05-20-2007 10:40:31  
You're blowing your own argument out of the water. Corn IS a renewable rescource. Oil isn't. Therefore suppy and demand should apply much less to corn, but yet it doesn't, does it? And of course per-bushel corn prices haven't increased as much as fuel prices have over the last 50 years, have they? Thanks for proving my point by mentioning prices in '69. Farmers can't survive without subsidies? Got a news flash for you - most do. If you rely on the government payments and programs to make it farming, you're probably not going to last long at it. American farmers are hardly subsidized at all when compared with many other countries around the world. And if we didn't insist on giving so much of our agriculture production away through unfair trade practices with those other countries, government subsidies wouldn't be needed at all. And farmers are collection Social Security to survive? That's news to me. Where you getting all this supposed factual information?

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Lamont

05-20-2007 13:08:08




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 Re: Hey Lamont... in reply to G/MAN, 05-20-2007 11:00:27  
My point concerning comparing corn to oil was that there is no way to make that comparison. It is rather a contrast because they are such different industries. So, thanks for agreeing with me on that as well as agreeing with me on our government botching trade practices with other nations. Do you really think MOST farmers don't get subsidies of some type from the government? Go to your local Soil Conservation or County Extension office and review their records. I think you'd be surprised. There are several around here that collect $1 million plus annually. I don't know any around here that make their living farming that don't collect subsidies. I call that "social security." Most don't, but I do. The only farmers I know of that are not drawing government checks are extremely small "hobby" farmers. We can just agree to disagree on the big oil I guess. It really doesn't matter. The public is just going to sit back and let them do what they want to do anyway.

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rpllr

05-20-2007 06:51:31




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 Re: Hey Lamont... in reply to G/MAN, 05-19-2007 21:26:54  
The oil man does not have to many variables in his products he is selling. He owns everything from the well to the pump so when profits are up it goes straight into his pocket. The farmer has too many variables like weather and a very fluctuating market that can fall apart in half a year. He has a greater chance of loss just depending on mother nature, something the oil man does not.my2cents



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Lamont

05-20-2007 10:20:58




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 Re: Hey Lamont... in reply to rpllr, 05-20-2007 06:51:31  
What?



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G/MAN

05-20-2007 10:07:15




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 Re: Hey Lamont... in reply to rpllr, 05-20-2007 06:51:31  
Oh he does? That's funny. Last I checked, the oil companies don't "own" the ocean where they're drilling offshore. They don't go out and buy millions of acres that may have oil under them. They're subject to every bit as many government regulations and restrictions as farmers ever have been. More, in fact. And of course thanks to many of those restrictions, they can no longer prospect here in the U.S. for oil, they now have to travel all over the world to do so, and are then subject the laws and regs of whatever countries they attempt to explore for oil in. Oil companies aren't subject to weather? That's odd - I remember a lot of "end of the world" talk during Hurricane Katrina and the damage it could do to refineries and offshore drilling rigs. The simple fact of the matter is that any business that relies on producing products out of the ground - be it petroleum or growing crops - is a roll of the dice year in and year out.

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Jim Johnson

05-20-2007 03:51:24




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 Re: Hey Lamont... in reply to G/MAN, 05-19-2007 21:26:54  
G-MAN, Liberals don't take time to get facts, it gets in the way of their cause. They don't bother to try and understnd the way business works they just blame big business for everything and then raise taxes on them all the while knowing that the people they claim to represent are the ones that are going to pay the price. Taxes are what makes them stronger because it makes everyone dependent on them.
Same reason they want all the folks crossing the border, more dependents! And more votes.Less education is better for them.

This isn't the place for this really but it needs to be said and the teachers are the ones teaching all this garbage to the children.

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Lamont

05-20-2007 13:36:26




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 Re: Hey Lamont... in reply to Jim Johnson, 05-20-2007 03:51:24  
I can't help but laugh when I read this post. Anyone that knows me would never associate me with being a liberal or raising taxes; especially my students and their parents. Most of them have heard me say that I wouldn't vote for another tax hike if they told me it was for an orphanage. I wouldn't because if they raised $5 million dollars, the kids would be lucky to benefit much at all if any. I'll not vote for another tax increase until spending gets arranged so that 75% of the money we collect is not wasted. You sound like you're anti-education lumping teachers into one basket like that. I don't know about your area, but we don't teach that in our area. I'm sure some do, but not on the whole.

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supermpuller

05-20-2007 04:56:52




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 Re: Hey Lamont... in reply to Jim Johnson, 05-20-2007 03:51:24  
Seed and fertilizer not to mention equpiment prices have gone through the roof, it isn't a conservative or liberal thing, its ripping off farmers.



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G/MAN

05-20-2007 10:02:23




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 Re: Hey Lamont... in reply to supermpuller, 05-20-2007 04:56:52  
Those prices have not gone through the roof since last year's planting season. And a farmer planting with the same iron this year as last year, which most are, hasn't been affected in the slightest by an increase in equipment prices. The fact is that nearly ever business or industry goes through boom and bust cycles, and trashing big oil or accusing them of price gouging when crude oil prices are beyond the control of any one entity is just as ridiculous as trashing farmers for current corn prices, and I'm not doing either.

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Jim Johnson

05-20-2007 06:15:00




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 Re: Hey Lamont... in reply to supermpuller, 05-20-2007 04:56:52  
So you don't think that all these regulations and restrictions that is put on businesses have an effect on prices, not to mention the fact that anybody can sue anybody or any business for just about whatever they decide to. As has been said before WAKE UP AMERICA



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