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chrysler engine identificatoin

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Jerry Thenen

09-23-2006 21:06:30




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What is the easiest way to tell what size Chrysler an engine is? I have a super 101 with the Chrysler in it. I went to an auction today and bought a Chrysler engine that looks like it was out of a truck. I say that because it has rubber motor mounts on it. It measures 23 inches on the head, so I believe it will work. Iím just curious if you can tell the difference between a 230 and a 218 without tearing them apart.

Thanks in advance,

Jerry

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w .anglemyer

09-24-2006 07:13:52




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to Jerry Thenen, 09-23-2006 21:06:30  
a 230 is a longer block the right engine is a 218 can make it fit but is not correct for the tractor



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ChadS

09-24-2006 08:04:45




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to w .anglemyer, 09-24-2006 07:13:52  
It may be a 251, or a 265. is the 230 the same as the 251? never seen a 230. Chad



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earlschieb

09-24-2006 10:45:18




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to ChadS, 09-24-2006 08:04:45  
218 and 230 is the same block, the 251 is 2 inches longer.



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Jerry Thenen

09-24-2006 08:27:49




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to ChadS, 09-24-2006 08:04:45  
No, itís not a 251 or a 265. It measured 23 inches, not 25. Iím not sure what it is yet. I bought a junk front end that had been hacked off a Massey super 101 at an auction for $50. I was after the bell housing because the one in the one Iím restoring was broke where it bolts into the frame. It was nothing that would hurt the performance, just an eyesore. The engine that was in the frame still had the rubber mounts on it from where it came out of a truck. I presumed it was a 217. However, someone at the auction said it could be a 230 as well. I guess Iíll find out.

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RDD

09-24-2006 17:02:49




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to Jerry Thenen, 09-24-2006 08:27:49  
Jerry,
I am needing a carburetor for a 101 Super. Can you help me out?



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earlschieb

09-24-2006 05:23:26




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to Jerry Thenen, 09-23-2006 21:06:30  
I have a 1951 Dodge M37 Truck, with flat head engine, the main difference between a 218, and a 230, is the stroke, every thing but the crank, and rods are the same. You can make a 230 out of a 218 by changing the crank and rods. Are you needing a 230? I have a low mile 230 short block laying in the garage that I was gonna put on ebay. Email is open.



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Former Wards Puller

09-24-2006 17:31:23




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to earlschieb, 09-24-2006 05:23:26  
230's and under are 23" long.251's and bigger are 25" long.There used to be gobs of 230's around from old Massey SP combines.

We once had a 428 Cockshutt SP combine that had a 237 in it which I believe was 25" long.Thats a rare engine.

I know where a 51 Dodge 2 ton is at for $150 with a free 251 in it.I need to buy it.



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ChadS

09-25-2006 09:32:16




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to Former Wards Puller, 09-24-2006 17:31:23  
What are you looking for? I know where there is alot of 251-265 stuff laying around. Chad



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Jerry Thenen

09-25-2006 18:23:00




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to ChadS, 09-25-2006 09:32:16  
Honestly, Iím looking for something that will allow me to pull strong in second gear. The Chrysler 230 should be a little over 50 horse, which should do it in the 3,500 and 4,000 class. It would, for the most part, allow me to stoke the 217 with little money. Iím not big into pulling yet, but I do enjoy going to a few a year. I was thinking of putting a 251 or a 265 in one, but donít want to waste time and money if I wonít be allowed to pull it. The guys I go to pulls with all pull farmall. I figured Iíd try something else.

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ChadS

09-26-2006 09:12:51




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to Jerry Thenen, 09-25-2006 18:23:00  
Well, the 101 has a pretty fast low gear, in fact, when they hook up, they are hard to beat. (Ask Wayne)! Id bet a 230 would be a great low gear, but to run second, it takes the big block chrysler 6, with a stroker. My brother in law has a 101, with a stroked 265, somewhere in the 317 range, but thats about it for cubes,, cant bore them much over .060, but they are thin,, Now, the bellhousing bolts right into place in stock position, as long as you have the chrysler bellhousing. its tight in the fan/radiator so you will have to put a short fan spacer to miss the radiator. Id check on the rules,,, under manufactures replacement clauses,, Chad

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Former Wards Puller

09-27-2006 17:40:26




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to ChadS, 09-26-2006 09:12:51  
I have bored 250-265 Chrysler blocks .125 and ran Jahns 10-1 pistons in them.They are real thin and you will split a cylinder once in awhile.I used to dyno 120 horses at 2000 rpms.



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Jerry Thenen

09-26-2006 19:26:47




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to ChadS, 09-26-2006 09:12:51  
Do you happen to know the stock hp on the 265? I do have a big block, but it would need to be bored out a little to clean it up, then sleeved back down to .060. Itís at .080 right now. I think I would probably be better off buying a different block. Also, I would need a new manifold. The one I took off it is a downdraft. Any ideas where I might be able to pick one up reasonably?

Thanks, Jerry

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ChadS

09-26-2006 19:41:30




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to Jerry Thenen, 09-26-2006 19:26:47  
In a 101 frame, bout 58hp. Better check the bore,, they dont make a overbore over .060 for those engines. you may have a .030 over, I may know of a good used updraft manifold. Ill check n see. Not much room for boring on these engines,,,Chad



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Jerry Thenen

09-27-2006 20:06:43




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to ChadS, 09-26-2006 19:41:30  
Thatís what nappa said when I had them price pistons for it. They said their books only listed up to .060 for it. They however told me that the bore measurements matched .080 over. The thought did cross my mind that I read .030 as .080. It"s clearly .080. Maybe the airport had pistons made for it. I imagion those tuggers had a lot of hours put on them. I guess Iíll have to do some thinking on what motor I would put in it, or if a Massey 101 is what I want to pull. Until then I will get started on restoring a Massey 102 senior standard. I have a nice looking newer 6 cylinder continental out of a power unit that will go in that one. (not for pulling, just for plow days and show.) If you find any info on the updraft carb please let me know.

Thanks, Jerry

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ChadS

09-28-2006 08:13:32




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to Jerry Thenen, 09-27-2006 20:06:43  
They must have done so. If it was me, id either find another block, or have the block you have sleeved back to stock, or .030 whatever,, it will cost bout the same. Look around for Oliver 525 combines,, you will find 251's in em all day long,, and pick them up cheap! the 265 crank, rods and pistons go right in. Brother in law has 3 265's sitting in the barn,, ones a spitfire,, not much difference in the spitfires and the standard engine,, so dont overpay for the name. Im waiting for a responce on the manifold,, its out in MN. Chad

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Years back,

09-25-2006 09:44:06




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to ChadS, 09-25-2006 09:32:16  
I seen a Wards custom blow an engine, or something down in Princeton Indiana back in 96 or 97,,, was that you?? Chad



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TIRED A

09-25-2006 06:54:13




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to Former Wards Puller, 09-24-2006 17:31:23  
Former wards puller, if you buy that 51 Dodge, I'd be interested in some grille pieces,that is if youre parting it. Darin 507-553-6038 home.



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Former Wards Puller

09-27-2006 17:35:10




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 Re: chrysler engine identificatoin in reply to TIRED A, 09-25-2006 06:54:13  
The truck is 120 miles away and I wont be back that way until late in the year.I'll let you know if I buy it.It may be sold by now.



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