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Prof. Peabody

07-31-2006 23:08:02




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Built a Hotfarm tractor from a 560, put a 806 motor in it bored 40 over with a high lobe cam big manifold and carb running it at about 3000 rpms, problem is we dyno and it says we only have 85 hp when we have been told it should have over a 100 hp. hoping someone out there might have a suggestion of what we could do. Also the cam was ground for both lift and duration somewhere around 230 for duration and 280 for lift I think

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Bigmotors

08-02-2006 20:03:05




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 Re: Short of Power in reply to Prof. Peabody, 07-31-2006 23:08:02  
Try a (smaller) carb or and a smaller manifold set up. If you have a dyno try different combos. Try a stock 301 cam and see what you get for numbers. Put a msd box or a hotter coil. Again, if you got a dyno play with it. Sometimes bigger is not better. That's what I tell the girls anyway. Good Luck.



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buickanddeere

08-02-2006 09:51:10




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 Re: Short of Power in reply to Prof. Peabody, 07-31-2006 23:08:02  
Mechanical compression ratio? That cam maybe lowering the working cylinder pressure. Fuel octane? What is the inital & timing advance?



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Mike S 806/H

08-01-2006 12:08:02




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 Re: Short of Power in reply to Prof. Peabody, 07-31-2006 23:08:02  
I have a 301 in my Farmall H/460 I got 80hp out of it, I have a truck head on it and stock tractor cam,



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ChadS

08-01-2006 08:25:57




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 Re: Short of Power in reply to Prof. Peabody, 07-31-2006 23:08:02  
85 hp is pretty good at less than 2000 rpms with a 6 cyl gasser,, (if thats what you have) Really,, the 560 and the 806 pto speeds are very different,, where the 560 at 540 may run 1900 engine rpm, make 85 hp, but you go put that same engine in a 806 chassis, that same engine would be alot more powerful, probably close to 110 hp,,, 806's run 2640 engine speed, at 540 pto rpm. Follow what Im saying here??? The PTO speed difference in the two tractors is why the HP is not where it is,,, Id belive it would be 100 hp solid if you could test it at the 806 rpm. I know factors are so much different under running conditions,,, but I took your Known factors,, and did something like this,,,,,

A 560, 85hp at 540 pto speed,,, that about 1900 engine rpm,,,
I take 85HP divided by the rpm, then multiply that figure by the new rpm,,,, in this case, at 806 specs,, it MIGHT be 118hp at 2640 engine rpm. The only factor thats different between the 560 and the 806 is the rated engine speed at 540,, the 560 is 1900 or less, and the 806 is 2640+. So,, it looks like this,,,,

85 hp, divided by 1900 = .044736842 then, multiply that by any rpm you want to try,,, so lets go with 3000 rpm,,,, .044736842 X 3000 = 134.21 hp at 3000 rpm.

If you know the engine speed at 540, and the known HP at 540,, you can try that figure, and have a close idea on what it might be at a higher rpm. Chad

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Ian Johnsen

08-01-2006 00:09:01




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 Re: Short of Power in reply to Prof. Peabody, 07-31-2006 23:08:02  
What rpm is your cam designed to make its most power, and what rpm is your motor turning with the pto at 540? sometimes these two aren't in the same range, so you don't get an accurate horsepower reading. In hot rodding, an engine dyno or chassis dyno measures throughout the motors rpm range, and will tell you where the peak performance is in relation to rpm. Unfortunately, with a pto dyno, it has to pull your motor down until the pto is turning the right speed to tell you your horsepower. That speed may not be in your power band.

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