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truck motor in IH 460?

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red guy

07-26-2006 05:47:34




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How are the pulling organizations letting people use those truck motors in tractors? Those 460"s I have seen run don"t sound nothing like a tractor, and everyone you see they have shields blocking every angle so you can"t see anything under the hood. Kind of like their hiding something.




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minnesota red

07-27-2006 03:29:40




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to red guy, 07-26-2006 05:47:34  
HUH?????
how do they sound different?
same firing order,same company made them and most of the time they were the same engine.
i just don't get it,must be a deere thing.



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NOS88

07-26-2006 15:14:14




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to red guy, 07-26-2006 05:47:34  
Biggest thing around our pulling area is cheap horse power. What is the difference if a person builds up a stock block verses dropping in a same manufacture, higher horse power engine without the expense of major engine work. Rpms and speed limit is the factor. I have no problem hooking against a 310 88 with my 88 block. Same goes for the truck motors. So what. Pull on!!



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semo460puller

07-27-2006 20:14:41




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to NOS88, 07-26-2006 15:14:14  
I pull a 460 with a RD501 bored block,used 4.5" pistons out of BIG block chevy, off set ground crank,stock cam ,stock head and valves and a 2 3/16 up draft carb.It will handle 5500 8mph. This motor came out of my WK-40 after about ten years of use.The RD 450 and 501 are cheap to build and last for ever.The "RD" will fit without moving radiator or the hood.Less than $600.00 invested in motor and will run with the HOT "M"s and "88"s with thousands of dollars motors.Yes it is cheap horsepower and lots of fun.MY two cents. Michael Brockmire

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Steve in OR

07-27-2006 20:39:36




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to semo460puller, 07-27-2006 20:14:41  
I don't have a truck motor, but the governor is off of my 263 gasser 560 and I'm running 7k to 8k rpm (according to my new tach, and it does scream) and pulling 9mph in 2nd gear, 18x38, 6K# class. Are you also pulling in 2nd, what size tires? Is it really an easy bolt in? I'm planning on going further on the 263 or swapping to a truck engine. The rules for the NWTPA's "superfarm" class state that the engine can be any engine made by the same manufacturer or engine manufacturer of brand of tractor, and the same number of cylinders as the stock engine. This allows for Perkins powered Oliver 88s, 800 ci in 6 cylinder MMs, 501 or 466 in IH, etc. We came up with those rules to allow these kinds of tractors to compete. We haven't quite gotten up to critical mass on tractors yet, but it is coming soon, I think.

Steve

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Drew

07-28-2006 11:04:19




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to Steve in OR, 07-27-2006 20:39:36  
I think you need to make sure your tachometer is setup and hooked up right. There is no way that engine could turn that many RPM w/o serious modification. You simply cant get enough air into it, especially w/ stock manifolds, camshaft, carburetor, etc. The valves would be floating way way before it ever had a chance of revving that high, and rods would start putting windows in the block.



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red guy

07-26-2006 12:07:48




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to red guy, 07-26-2006 05:47:34  
The red Diamond, and the shields are there to hide it not make it look cute. Every little space around the fuel tank is closed off can't see in there anywhere.



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Jon Aller

07-26-2006 13:13:45




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to red guy, 07-26-2006 12:07:48  
My favorite 460 side shield story was the guy that showed up with a nicely painted tractor. I asked him to remove his side shields to "tech" the tractor. He indicated that he could not because he didn't want to take out all the bolts. He did offer to open an access cover to his "carburetor" for me to look through. There in front of me was this rusty, greasy nasty looking 460 carb bolted to a flange on a pipe. I looked inside and noticed that the pipe didn't connect to anything. Further inspection revealed intake runners coming down from a shielded area above the motor under the hood. The owner was not willing to remove any more shields or hoods at that point. We allowed them a courtesy hook and mutually agreed that they should not come back in the future to our antique pull.

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piston

07-26-2006 18:24:52




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to Jon Aller, 07-26-2006 13:13:45  
thats not very nice, he could have been from miss.



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Eddie Haskell

07-26-2006 14:17:00




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to Jon Aller, 07-26-2006 13:13:45  
Was he from Bradford, Arkansas?



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Jon Aller

07-27-2006 04:55:51




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to Eddie Haskell, 07-26-2006 14:17:00  
No, IL.



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A.P.

07-26-2006 09:55:11




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to red guy, 07-26-2006 05:47:34  
It all depends on the local rules whether a truck engine is legal. It also depends on which truck engine we are talking about.

As far as the side shields go, they also protect the tractor from the wayward, wandering fingers of children and adults and as a result unintentional tuning changes. It also makes for a cleaner better looking tractor (usually).



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What does it matter?

07-26-2006 14:38:27




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to A.P., 07-26-2006 09:55:11  
Who cares what engine is in it? There are alot of 460's running with truck heads on them. If they can run a truck head, then a truck block should be alright. I have seen some allis chalmers with 292 chevys in them. The 292's came in Gleaner combines and so did half of the 4cyl engines that are in WC and WD pullers. Keep it under the speed limit and pull on.



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720Deeere

07-26-2006 14:57:36




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to What does it matter?, 07-26-2006 14:38:27  
If you feel that they have no advantage with these higher horsepower engines than why do people go to such great lengths to use them? Seems to me if there's such a great desire to run high hp motors then there must be an advantage. I hate to hear that B.S. about just letting them run and get over it!



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supermpuller

07-26-2006 19:20:29




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to 720Deeere, 07-26-2006 14:57:36  
Boys a 460 stock motor was 221 cu the same motor was used in a IH truck a 301 engine in a 806 used the same block just stroked and bored, IH used a lot of motors in tractors that were also used in trucks.



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Kevin

07-27-2006 05:19:52




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to supermpuller, 07-26-2006 19:20:29  
Now im not an oliver man but are you saying i could put a big cat v8 in an oliver 77 or 88 becuase oliver used it in the 2255?



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supermpuller

07-27-2006 05:35:28




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to Kevin, 07-27-2006 05:19:52  
Nope a 77 or 88 had a 6 cylinder not a v-8. A 460 and a 806 used the same block, and that block was used in some trucks.



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Kevin

07-27-2006 07:10:46




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to supermpuller, 07-27-2006 05:35:28  
If its the same exact block why do people go through the trouble of swaping em out instead of dropping in bigger pistons in the block thats already there?



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Jon Aller

07-27-2006 10:55:49




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 Re: truck motor in IH 460? in reply to Kevin, 07-27-2006 07:10:46  
Because a combine takeout engine ca be had for less than $1000. That woundn't cover the cost of boring and new pistons and rebuilding the head.



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