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knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020

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D-Day

06-14-2006 17:58:52




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Does anyone have any tips on getting some quick, easy horsepower from a 1655 diesel? I"m pulling against 4020s with turbos and need some ideas. Thanks in advance.




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ncdiesel48

06-15-2006 13:19:39




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to D-Day, 06-14-2006 17:58:52  
If you are pulling in a stock class why are there 4020's with turbos in it? I thought they were naturally aspirated?



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D-Day

06-15-2006 17:38:57




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to ncdiesel48, 06-15-2006 13:19:39  
It is a stock class, and you are right, 4010s and 4020s were not turbocharged from the factory. The thing is, these JD guys are cheaters. But then again, it can't really be cheating when some fair pulls don't put rules in writing that would ensure that the competition is on the up and up. If it is a "stock" class, I think that tractors can have a little more horsepower, but if they never had a turbo to start with, don't put them on the engine and still cheat your way through the stock classes; there are places where people woth deeper pockets pull together. Otherwise, they can stay away from the guys that just come out to pull the machines that are actually used on the farm. Sorry for the rant, that is just how I feel on that subject, and I felt like venting and explaining the situation that I am in.

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hey dingleberry

06-18-2006 12:32:26




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to D-Day, 06-15-2006 17:38:57  
hey numbnuts, weren't farm stock classes for tractors off the farm? TONS of 4010's and 4020's had turbos put on them for a better FARM tractor, therefore its farm stock....you guys just can't stand to get beat from some poor ol farmer that just wanted to have fun.



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D-Day

06-19-2006 06:29:04




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to hey dingleberry, 06-18-2006 12:32:26  
Maybe I was misunderstood. I'm the one that still uses the 1655 on the farm. But I know that the 4010s & 4020s have not so much as run through a cow pattie in a long time. I know that the JDs I run against have not seen a field in a long time. That is where I have the problem. If it is farm stock, it should be able to come straight from the hayfield and pull, or vice versa. If those guys used them on the farm, fine. For example, I know they are running water injection to keep the turbo from burning up, just like a Pro Stock tractor would. There's no way a tractor like that could bale hay for 3 or 4 hours and then come to a pull.

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D-Day

06-19-2006 06:25:55




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to hey dingleberry, 06-18-2006 12:32:26  
Maybe I was misunderstood. I'm the one that still uses the 1655 on the farm. But I know that the 4010s & 4020s have not so much as run through a cow pattie in a long time. I know that the JDs I run against have not seen a field in a long time. That is where I have the problem. If it is farm stock, it should be able to come straight from the hayfield and pull, or vice versa. If those guys used them on the farm, fine.

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minnesota red

06-18-2006 21:54:03




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to hey dingleberry, 06-18-2006 12:32:26  
same thoughts as around here,that is until someone poor old farmer shows up with a 3/4 used up 806 with a turbo on it.
then for some reason those painted up 4020s with a turbo added are ok,but that 806 is a cheater.



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gfs

06-15-2006 09:31:56




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to D-Day, 06-14-2006 17:58:52  
283 or 310 and what all are you allowed to do, need a little more info to really help.



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D-Day

06-15-2006 09:43:06




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to gfs, 06-15-2006 09:31:56  
It has the 283 in it, but I have a 310 crank from a 1755 that I plan to put in it some time. I pull in the "stock" class, but are there really any truely stock classes any more? I just want to keep the tractor reasonable, as in still able to plow the fields if needed.



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Solid Junk

06-14-2006 18:53:40




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to D-Day, 06-14-2006 17:58:52  
Drop a Perkins diesel from a Massey combine down in that thing. Get a big turbo and lots of fuel.



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slowride

06-14-2006 19:53:20




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to Solid Junk, 06-14-2006 18:53:40  
Is your name in any relation to Dave Stangel's "Solid Junk" famous alky tractor? What ever happened to him?



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Solid Junk

06-15-2006 19:55:21




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to slowride, 06-14-2006 19:53:20  
Yes the name is a tribute. I also consider Dave Stangle a friend and his wife is a hoot.

As far as the LP Alky argument. I believe you are both right. SJ was not built. It evolved. I've seen Dave's personal pulling scrap book. It kinda chronicles SJ from when he and Ron Perry ( the real genius behing SJ) first built it including pictures of it in the field. All the way up to after it was sold and (aaarh) painted! It was originally an LP burner, but as they searched for more power they did switch to alky. They even had a very primitive fuel injection system on it at one time. There was a large bank of toggle switches and as the motor would start to lean out Dave would flip another switch and turn on another fuel pump. Rumor has it that they a a slight burp at a pull and back fired through the turbo setting the thing on fire. As the "safety" crew went nuts running around trying to figure out how to put it out, Dave just sat ther calmly flipping switches. When He flipped the last one and just off the last pump the fire went out. No fuel Nofire.

The only room for a stock tractor in a competative pul is in last place. It's all legal until you get caught.;)

Joe

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Strange Brew

06-14-2006 20:41:56




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to slowride, 06-14-2006 19:53:20  
Actually Stangle's tractor was not alky, propane powered!



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BAD ATTITUDE

06-15-2006 15:47:18




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to Strange Brew, 06-14-2006 20:41:56  
Actually He started it and drove it around on propane then when he hooked it to the sled, turned on two other fuel pumps to run the alcohol. Wasn't around then but heard it was a beast.



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minnesota red

06-15-2006 08:49:31




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to Strange Brew, 06-14-2006 20:41:56  

is that why they call it the first successful alcohol super?



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KC21

06-15-2006 18:40:34




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to minnesota red, 06-15-2006 08:49:31  
no the first succesful alky tractor was from a guy from the big city of DeFoe Kentucky I believe it was a 1955 oliver



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minnesota red

06-15-2006 19:34:11




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to KC21, 06-15-2006 18:40:34  
how many national titles did he win?



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J.Banet

06-14-2006 20:23:32




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 Re: knife in a gun fight: 1655 vs. 4020 in reply to slowride, 06-14-2006 19:53:20  
Daves pulling a hot stock semi now[ Quite well I might ad].



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