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John

03-28-2002 15:55:07




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I was looking at a deckover flat bed trailer to haul my tractor. Two dealers told me I need a CDL if the GVW of the trailer is over 10,000 lbs. Another dealer tells me the total weight including truck, trailer and tractor has to be over 26,000 before a CDL is required. By the way I live in Maryland. Does anyone know the correct answer?




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Justin

03-29-2002 18:41:57




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 Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to John, 03-28-2002 15:55:07  
I pull a 45 foot drop deck trailer (unsure on GVW) with a GMC Brigadier and as long as I'm not for hire and stay in the state (TN) I'm not required to have CDLs.

Justin



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missery

03-29-2002 15:27:16




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 Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to John, 03-28-2002 15:55:07  
in maine the truck is the carrier.they have you put the weight of the trailer on the trailer reg,and the rest on the truck.my one ton chevy is reg @ 17000,trailer is 4000. your best bet is to check with your state police,dot.



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John

03-29-2002 17:25:36




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 Re: Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to missery, 03-29-2002 15:27:16  
Thanks for the comments. It appears every state has different rules.



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Greenman

03-29-2002 05:55:27




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 Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to John, 03-28-2002 15:55:07  
Just a small reminder if you do get a CDL then you must also have a DOT physical card to accompany it and it must be renewed every two years. Check your blood pressure, your govt. comtrol is just beginning.



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Leroy

03-29-2002 05:17:31




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 Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to John, 03-28-2002 15:55:07  
Under 26,000 GVW on truck and under 10,000 on trailer with hydrolic brakes on truck you do not need a CDL, If it has air brakes then you would need the Class B with air brake endorsment, and 10,000 pound is the legal limit for any pickup, Over that there are some exemptions built into the law for the farmer with one being limmited to within 100 mile from home, other wise you will need a class A, (semi tractor) CDL. A driver with a Class B (no Air brake) with tanker and hazmat for work delivering tanks of 28% and anhydrous

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ff316

03-28-2002 19:59:27




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 Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to John, 03-28-2002 15:55:07  
The best advice I can give is to call your local division of vehicle licensing, it is always best to fear it straight from the horse's mouth. You could also call your county attorney or law enforcement agency, put your tax dollars to work for you! Fireman



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chris

03-28-2002 19:41:01




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 Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to John, 03-28-2002 15:55:07  
I drive a ton pickup with 30,000 farm plates and have been all over the country hauling tractors and the only state that ever even looked at my plates was Missouri,they fined me because the plates were expired.by the way I live in Mo.



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cd

03-28-2002 19:17:27




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 Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to John, 03-28-2002 15:55:07  
I live in PA but our laws should be very similar. After our research on this subject for ourselves, here is what we have found and done: When pulling a trailer over 10,000lbs. you need to have your truck/trailer registered as a combination which is expensive. Then if your whole rig exceeds 26,000 you will need CDLs. There is more to it but that is basic. What we did is buy a 14k trailer and liscence it as a 10k trailer. We figured that the overweight fine is much smaller than combo registration in the rare event you get checked. Talk to a notary/registration place and pick up some of the books D.O.T. has out on this subject. Good luck!

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mike

03-28-2002 16:47:48




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 Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to John, 03-28-2002 15:55:07  
Itkink the 26000 is the federal standard for all states,and the trailer has to have the federal insp.if your going to other states, i have 14,000 gn. run 20,000 tags been many states no problem



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Slo

03-28-2002 16:36:42




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 Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to John, 03-28-2002 15:55:07  
I looked into this about 3 years ago here in Indiana. Here it is 26000 gross before needing a CDL. My trailer is plated for 16000 and I don't need a CDL. At least not yet....



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Joe

03-29-2002 19:16:06




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 Re: Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to Slo, 03-28-2002 16:36:42  
Hey Slo,

The way I read the book only commercial vehicles over 26500 needed a CDL in IN. Am I wrong on weight, and the commercial part. The way I read the book as long as you were a private carrier and not for hire weight did not matter.

Joe



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Slo

03-30-2002 08:16:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to Joe , 03-29-2002 19:16:06  
When I went through this awhile back, I ended up talking to a state trooper about it who does the training. The INDOT didn't have a clue, and the 2 places I called gave me 2 different answers.

The trooper told me that as long as I was plated under 26000, I didn't need a CDL or log books. However, being over 10000 on the trailer, (I think), I needed a fire extinguisher and safety triangles or roadflares.

Can you guess why I'm plated at 25000 between the truck and trailer?

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art

03-31-2002 09:26:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to Slo, 03-30-2002 08:16:16  
There are 5 definitions for CDL requirements. Almost none of the enforcement people know them all. When you meet a trooper that does know them it is basically written so you can be arrested whenever he feels like it. No thought to saftey only the revenue asspect. Most pullers will never be bothered. The long and short of it especially if you cross a state line is: With a straight truck the GVW is the determining factor. For example if you have a single axle staight truck with a GVW of 33000 but liscense it for 25900 to get under the CDL you are in violation. The best part is reserved for combinations. Pickup with a trailer over 10000 when crossing a state line is a CDL unit. No exceptions. A log book CDL drivers physical and your name or not for hire and a DOT # on the door are needed. A farm liscence DOES NOT cover pulling tractors. I don't know how to advise anyone except to not get stopped and don't pull into any weigh stations. Like I said most of the enforcement people don't know all the rules and you probably will not get bothered. The way to avoid all this is to get a recreational vehicle, camper, housecar, etc liscence on the vehicle then you can have a a 5 axle, air brake, 80000lb Peterbuilt with a 48 foot trailer or a Winnebago with 2 JD G's at 10000 each behind it and you are excempt from ALL the regs. Art

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joecool

04-01-2002 04:06:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trailers requiring CDL in reply to art, 03-31-2002 09:26:49  
As a commercial driver and a tractor puller, I understand the rules also. I encourage any and all drivers to obtain a cdl for safety. Many folks buy the biggest motorhome or truck and trailer they can afford and don't know how to drive them. I am able to use a farm tag in Alabama and pull up to 56,000 combined weight. Their are to many folks who can't drive to start with and then they go buy a truck and trailer and then blame everyone for being in their way.

If you don't get a physical more frequent than every two years then you need to anyway. It is not a inconveniance to get a check up. I feel it should be a law that every body have a special license to pull any trailer.

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