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Propane/oxygen in the intake

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Rekabnivek

04-08-2006 12:55:27




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What would the advantages/disadvantages of plumbing a small amount of propane or oxygen into the intake of a stock gasoline puller. I know we use oxygen to find leaks in the manifold, it seems to add rpm quickly.




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Rekabnivek

04-09-2006 20:41:51




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 Re: Propane/oxygen in the intake in reply to Rekabnivek, 04-08-2006 12:55:27  
Hey

I did a little experimenting today. I mounted a ether starting injector from a truck tractor and used propane, but it gave me too much white smoke with only a little extra power. But when I use a MAPP gas tank I had only a small amount of smoke with considerable power increasing. I will put it on a dyno this week ad see the difference. By the way, I am just spraying the gas into the intake of the carb with an 1/8" plastic tube. I tried both the gas and the liquid from the propane and the MAPP, it worked better with the gas than with the liquid.

I was able to hide all of this system under the hood and side shields. I placed a hidden foot controlled momentary switch so that when checked for RPM's I would be right. Seems that I can only use this system when above 1/2 throttle, otherwise it just chokes out the engine.

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buickanddeere

04-08-2006 17:21:04




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 Re: Propane/oxygen in the intake in reply to Rekabnivek, 04-08-2006 12:55:27  
Adding O2 will torch any engine. Adding N2O along with enough fuel can double the HP and be fairly reliable on a gasser. A diesel that is fuel limited will gain some power by adding LP.



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Buzzman72

04-09-2006 08:48:04




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 Re: Propane/oxygen in the intake in reply to buickanddeere, 04-08-2006 17:21:04  
BandD, you're absolutely right. Ever operate a cutting torch? It's the acetylene that sustains the flame, but it's the oxygen that makes the torch cut through metal. And since aluminum will melt before steel, just imagine what a blowtorch would do to a piston...'cause that's what would happen when introducing more oxygen to an engine without a corresponding increase in fuel.

Oxygen and propane together? Might work, if the proportions were right. Ever seeh how an NOS system works? Nitrous oxide is 36% oxygen by volume, whereas outside air is about 20%. When you add that extra 80% of oxygen to an engine, you also have to add a corresponding amount of fuel, to avoid "blowtorching" the engine. But also remember that, when you ignite that mixture which has more fuel and more oxygen, there will be a corresponding increase in cylinder pressures as well. In the early days of nitrous, some drag racers didn't understand that, and you sometimes saw engines "grenade" as they blew cylinder heads right off the blocks...and ususally it was nitrous that got blamed, rather than the racer's lack of knowledge.

If you're pulling an antique, it'd be hard to get the plumbing for nitrous or any other similar "additive" past the inspection stage...if they're checking engine rpm's and such, and they don't see THAT, you can only imagine what they "didn't see" on your competitors' tractors...and you might STILL be at a disadvantage.

Just MY opinion...YOUR mileage may vary, void where prohibited, and alcohol may intensify any side effects.

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ChadS

04-09-2006 07:52:54




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 Re: Propane/oxygen in the intake in reply to buickanddeere, 04-08-2006 17:21:04  
is it the cooling effect that is the most benificial or?? Chad



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Charles McNelly III

04-08-2006 14:03:28




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 Re: Propane/oxygen in the intake in reply to Rekabnivek, 04-08-2006 12:55:27  
I don't think there's a club that would allow "juice" of any kind in antique tractor pulling. If they did, everybody would be feeding a little NOS. :)



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LumbrJakMan

04-09-2006 11:40:26




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 Re: Propane/oxygen in the intake in reply to Charles McNelly III, 04-08-2006 14:03:28  
I got my Fire Extinguisher painted Blue and has NOS stickers on it . Nice convenient hose going up under the hood, and you shoulda seen the Old Bucks Pissin and Moanin at last years first pull. I had a Ball with it. I let them all whine and then I said I was sorry, I didnt know Fire extinguishers were against the rules???? They all Hate me Now !!!! Woo Hoo, I love causing trouble!!



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Maybe

04-08-2006 17:45:12




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 Re: Propane/oxygen in the intake in reply to Charles McNelly III, 04-08-2006 14:03:28  
They just might use NOS (Nitrous Oxide Sytems - a company) equipment and/or components to feed extra fuel and nitrous oxide (N2O - ie laughing gas)into a tractor engine.



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Drew

04-09-2006 09:38:17




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 Re: Propane/oxygen in the intake in reply to Maybe, 04-08-2006 17:45:12  
FINALLY!! Someone that understands the difference between NOS and N2O. I think people started confusing these two terms after that stupid rice car movie, "The Fast and the Furious," came out.



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REDEYE

04-10-2006 15:11:23




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 Re: Propane/oxygen in the intake in reply to Drew, 04-09-2006 09:38:17  
I hated that movie. the only thing worse than calling all forms of n2o NOS was actually saying "NOS" pronounced nos"e instead of three seperate letteres like its suppose to be.



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super sonic

04-14-2006 19:08:46




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 Re: Propane/oxygen in the intake in reply to REDEYE, 04-10-2006 15:11:23  
Bunch 'o freakin' chemists 'round here!!! Where I'm from we call it dinitrogen-monoxide. Actually alot of people think NOS really means the molecular composition of Nitrous Oxide is NO2. NO2 is Nitric Oxide, produced by the body to promote muscle growth.....

That's what I run in my JD G...Little NO2, along with some anabolic steroids!

Seriously,...just pumping MAPP gas into the manifold is only gonna make the burn cooler and less efficient. Unless you had a way to lean out the gasoline going through carb at the same time the MAPP was applied. I'd really check into the way MAPP burns before you did too much more testing. I believe it burns hotter than LP, so if you really have some monsterous compression, you might run into some problems. Without a real good way to regulate it along with throttle position, I don't see how it can work. When the engine lugs down and sucks in less air, but the MAPP is still on full bore, you're gonna flood it and it's gonna stall. Then what do you do if it backfires??? This is why there's rules. To keep the people around the people that don't think of saftey safe!!!!

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